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this hope radios for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947 these are the

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airport who present on start applying

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this has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged changed the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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we need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy touch on the game change in that

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good evening fade to black

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the smoke radio for the masses yeah and

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I'm the central skull Sinai's ah ah you

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guys so in order to think about that but

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this is fade to black just spoke radio

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for the masses today is Thursday

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February 15 2018 46 days into the new

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year just 319 days left we are live from

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a bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States hither and

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thither to intro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjc are the game changer Network and K

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GRA the planets I'm gonna go see B

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Church what is crackin how are you doing

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we have an amazing show lined up tonight

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that's right because we have Richard

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bleep and Dolan here he's here to

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analyze and breakdown the Richard Doty

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surprise phone call back on February 1st

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and I don't know what's going on here

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check and check this out Siri just

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activated and is trying to find me the

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phone number for Richard Doty if you're

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watching that on the bunker cam it's

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just going nuts that was cool Richard

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Doty activate Siri what does that tell

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that was pretty trippy alright

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Dolan's gonna be here and we're gonna

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break down that phone call from February

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it and so we're gonna do that in the

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first hour in the second hour we're

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gonna do a little Tom DeLonge thrown in

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for good measure and the balloon fumble

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the balloon fumble dropped the ball and

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then flipped it to the other team so

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as only Richard Dolan can do it that

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that's the really really cool thing and

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what is going on here he is somebody

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that we all just you know sit up and

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listen to so we're gonna do that tonight

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and I'll try to open up the phone lines

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a little bit later we've got some other

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guests that will be calling in to the

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show Richard doesn't know about that yet

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but he's going to enjoy that

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it after our experience at ESET II Rita

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that's right creator of The Simpsons

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worth over 500 million dollars there you

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go happy birthday Matt Groening also

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today Jane Seymour is 67 and she makes

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the list every year because of a movie

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called head office with Judge Reinhold

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died at the age of 33 Saturday Night

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oh TD 2013 a small incoming asteroid

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brighter than the Sun over Russia it

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Chelyabinsk and this is the thing in

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Russia to get car insurance in Russia

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video camera in your car to get car

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insurance so that meteor would took

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sploded over the city remember that

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knocked out windows it was it was crazy

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hundreds if not thousands of dash cams

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it is a crazy crazy thing to see but it

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happened five years ago today in 2013

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now here's my fader fact and again I vet

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these I've at these now listen to this

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this is one of those and all of the

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fader facts by the way are are the best

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they're amazing and they make you pretty

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smart with your friends right okay

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here's one that I can guarantee that

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nobody knows unless you live in the

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would believe once you whip it out and

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here it is the Netherlands is the

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world's second biggest exporter of what

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okay I'm watching Twitter right now the

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Netherlands is the world's second

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biggest exporter of what want to see how

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smart you are because this is gonna blow

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your mind

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alright the Netherlands tonight very

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special guest Richard Dolan is here

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we're gonna analyze a breakdown the

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Richard Doty surprise phone call that he

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made into fade to black back on February

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1st and then in the second hour tonight

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we're gonna talk a little Tom DeLonge

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yeah we've got to do this the big

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balloon fumble tulips says space goes no

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weed no wheat no clothes though cheap

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guts

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no cinnamon no heavy metals yes export a

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lot of heavy metal cheese no clean

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that's funny

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no you guys are good beer no oil no

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hashbrowns beer again no dams no

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pornography no iron no clogs you guys

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are good though this is really funny

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sno-cones that's that's up there alright

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Jovan a Vasa vaq got it finally

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food the Netherlands is the world's

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second biggest exporter of food is that

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nuts I mean that's just nuts first off

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they don't have a population you know

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that's small enough places frozen most

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of the time and that's the truth too as

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well and it's not very big but they are

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the second the world's second largest

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exporter of food and you know the United

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States being number one not Russia right

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think about this not China just just

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pick a country with a lot of landmass

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and a lot of people to feed you would

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think you know how about Brazil kicking

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out all that beef I'm just saying

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and everything else that comes out of

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Brazil no I just couldn't believe this

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and this is a vetted fact the

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Netherlands is the world's second

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biggest exporter of food so there you go

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you are a little bit smarter today so

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like fish or other food I'm just saying

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the Netherlands number two okay

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all right where am I I'm so glad it's

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Thursday and we're hanging out tonight

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and we have a Richard Dolan here Rita

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and I really really pushed the

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workaholic thing to its limits

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and we need this weekend we need this

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weekend like we've never had it before

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and then she laid down the law about

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what I had to do over at the house this

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weekend I was like man what about sleep

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and she's like nope so I've got a

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laundry list of stuff to do around the

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house but I just can't wait to get to

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this weekend and and thank you everybody

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for hanging out with this and and so

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forth but yesterday let me hit this

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coffee before I get go off in this this

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thing ah okay

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you know and if you've listened to this

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show for any length of time you know

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that I never go full false-flag I I just

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I I don't do it there has been many

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proven false flags out there Richard

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Dolan one of the best when it comes to

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this plenty of false flags out there and

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that have been admitted to by our own

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government but I don't go when when

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something happens whether it's you know

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recently the Orlando shooting or or Las

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Vegas or the downing of the Malaysian

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airliner in over in the Ukraine I just

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don't go I'm gonna go full full false

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flag it's a dangerous territory to go

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into but I when the facts come in I'm

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cool with it

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right so yesterday in parkland Florida

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we had a tragic tragic school shooting

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17 people were shot and killed and our

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thoughts and prayers are with those

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families and relatives and brothers and

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sisters and parents that lost loved ones

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yesterday there's no question about that

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but today I saw a reporter his name is

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Edie Musel live on TV last night from

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Florida saying that he spoke to

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student named Alexi medic who says that

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she was walking down the hall of the

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school with Nicholas Cruz she was

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walking down the hall with Nicholas Cruz

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who apparently didn't have a weapon or a

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gun with him but she was doing this

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after she says after the shots rang out

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and then she says that she said to Cruz

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and I'm quoting here hey I just heard

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shots fire and I'm surprised it wasn't

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you end quote and she says that Nicholas

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Cruz kind of had this reaction like what

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you know and backed up and then she said

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to the reporter that she thinks but

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after she's separated from Cruz more

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shots rang out and again she didn't

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mention that he had an ar-15 or any

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anything with him and that he was

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surprised at her comments and then she

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says to the reporter that she thinks

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that there was a second shooter the

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reporter at Musel was doing a live

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remote for KHOU channel 11 from Houston

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Texas they were in Florida covering the

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Astros spring training when the shooting

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happened so they were told by KHOU to

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head over to the high school and and

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start reporting right now all day today

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there was nothing in the mass media

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about this Alexi medic or what she said

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now I'm going to play for you right now

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a recorded the audio of this report I

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don't want you to listen really closely

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here I recorded this today with my

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cellphone off of youtube because after

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seeing this I felt that this is gonna

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get deleted that this is gonna get

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washed off of youtube so I didn't want

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to take the chance of playing it over

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and over again and doing a recording of

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it and and not capturing or trying to

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and go back and have it gone so I just

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grabbed it off of my

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cellphone and this is uh this is it

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right here so give this a listen check

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and in the FBI and local police agencies

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are still at the school right now

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talking to students and staff hoping to

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get answers Lisa was live near the

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school in parkland this is heartbreaking

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we know man of course

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photographer Bob Luna and I were at West

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Palm Beach covering spring training for

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the Astros when we got the call to come

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down here we spoken with a number of

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students parents former students they're

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all in shock let me just tell you this

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we just spoke with a former student but

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let Sammy dick she actually walked down

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the hall with the accused shooter

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Nicholas Cruz after she heard shots

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fired

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she said hey Nicholas this is what she

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told me on camera we will have it for

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her 10 o'clock show she said hey I just

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heard transfer I'm surprised it wasn't

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you just kidding like that he had this

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reaction what and then they parted ways

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she said I heard more shots after that

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she thinks there was a second shooter

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that's the first we've heard of that but

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she believes there was actually a second

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shooter we'll see if that comes about or

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not again authorities still inside

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searching know now there you go that's

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it and this was live on the news last

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night I don't know what to make of this

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and again I don't go full false-flag

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but this certainly to me is something

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that the authorities would be interested

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in right and to talk to this girl

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Aleksey medic oh i'm mispronouncing his

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name i said it was ed Musel it was matt

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Musil by the way but isn't that

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interesting now this student Nicholas

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Cruz the the shooter the alleged shooter

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who I guess admitted to the shooting

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00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:12,470
today with the with the police again

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that's all we know they did take him

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00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:18,920
alive but he was known to just about

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everybody in this high school from what

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from what I've gathered just like you

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that you're hearing the same

460
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I don't have any secret sources here but

461
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you've been hearing the same things that

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I have and so the student Alexei medic

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she said the same things that all the

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other students said you know that

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Nicholas Cruz was the guy they knew

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there were rumors going around that this

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was gonna happen this wasn't anything

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00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:52,830
new the FBI knew about it and and so

469
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forth so certainly Alexi medic knew who

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Nicholas Cruz was and she knew who she

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was talking to as they were going down

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the hallway and it sounded like they

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were almost like friends and they're

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walking down the hallway after the shots

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rang out so I don't think she made a

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mistake about this and and for her to

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turn around to him and say that I'm

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surprised that you know it wasn't you

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right it's it's their something now

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Sarah just tweeted out here that she's

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deeply concerned for the safety of that

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girl I know that's a pretty trippy

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statement to get out and then to make it

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to a live news report that went out I've

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captured it so I I've got it saved on my

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cell phone thank goodness I'm gonna try

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to to save the original YouTube video I

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just didn't have time to do it today but

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I was watching and I was like paid him

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in in here

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hold the phone this isn't like other

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reports here we are talking about

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somebody that knew Nicholas Cruz that

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says that after the shots rang out she

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was with him walking down the hallway in

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the school talked about the shooting

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says she was surprised that it wasn't

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him and he had his reaction like would

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and walked away and then more shots rang

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out

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and she told the reporter that she

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thinks that there was a second shooter

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based on this ah you know so I don't go

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full false-flag but this is interesting

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and I'm I'm gonna try to follow it I'm

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gonna try to stay on top of

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and for all of you out there it was KH o

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you channel love in Houston and the

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reporters name was Matt Musel mus al the

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students named Alexi medic al EXI medic

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M EDI C and so we have the student's

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name we have Ed's name we know that the

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he communicated with the students she

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says that she was hanging out with

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Nicholas Cruz and there's enough to go

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and follow up on here not only for the

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authorities but for us and the listeners

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00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,809
of this program I've just given you

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everything that you need to to put this

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00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:24,210
together this is very interesting not

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00:27:29,989 --> 00:27:27,389
look it could all be just a mistake it

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could all you know just just be a big

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00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,100
mistake but we have enough information

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00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,100
here to follow up on and we're gonna do

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just that I'm gonna do my best but how

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00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:42,299
is that absolutely unbelievable

527
00:27:46,879 --> 00:27:45,059
all right fade to black tonight very

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00:27:49,369 --> 00:27:46,889
special Thursday night broadcaster

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00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:49,379
Richard Dolan is here we're gonna break

530
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:51,230
down the Richard Doty phone call

531
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:54,299
surprised us all when he called in on

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00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,240
Fator night back on February 1st I kept

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00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:00,179
Richard Doty on the line for a full 90

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minutes without commercials and so

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00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:05,999
Richard Dolan went back and he's

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analyzed broken down the phone call and

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00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:10,529
we're gonna do all of that tonight we're

538
00:28:14,779 --> 00:28:12,539
gonna discuss that and in the second

539
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:14,789
hour we're gonna talk about Tom DeLonge

540
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:19,080
and the balloon the balloon Tom DeLong's

541
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:25,080
balloon I've got a very special guest

542
00:28:29,869 --> 00:28:26,970
that is gonna call him from the United

543
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Kingdom that is involved in all of this

544
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Dolan doesn't know it yet so will

545
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surprised Richard don't don't tweet

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anything out this is fade to black

547
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I don't want Richard to see it Richard

548
00:28:43,489 --> 00:28:41,369
loves Twitter okay so let's keep it from

549
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Richard this is fade to black I am your

550
00:28:51,619 --> 00:28:48,559
host Jimmy Church misspoke radio for the

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

626
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you're listening to Jimmy George

627
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radio.com comments and we're listening

628
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the Shamy church radio

629
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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

630
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your host Jimmy Church on the game

631
00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:21,429
changer network in kg ra the planet you

632
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:24,580
can follow me on twitter at JDO you can

633
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:27,700
follow richard at rich dolan and all

634
00:33:31,489 --> 00:33:29,710
those links are right up there and

635
00:33:35,729 --> 00:33:31,499
twitter right now

636
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:35,739
richard is you know I introduced him so

637
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:38,169
many times and I never get tired of of

638
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,470
this he's one of the world's leading UFO

639
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,320
historians his books including the

640
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national security state 80 after

641
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disclosure and UFOs for the 20th century

642
00:33:56,099 --> 00:33:52,619
mind are staples necessary reading

643
00:33:57,539 --> 00:33:56,109
amongst all of us in our community he

644
00:33:59,999 --> 00:33:57,549
has lectured all around the world

645
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:00,009
including television ancient aliens

646
00:34:04,499 --> 00:34:02,710
hangar 1 with yours truly currently he's

647
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:04,509
the writer and host of the series false

648
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:07,960
flags on Gaia and he is allegedly going

649
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:09,609
to deliver a book on the same subject

650
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:13,210
sometime in 2018 he also hosts two radio

651
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:15,010
shows the Richard Dolan show right here

652
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:19,480
on cagey RA and the EFT files he is the

653
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:21,480
publisher of the Richard Dolan press and

654
00:34:26,309 --> 00:34:24,280
tonight we are going to break down the

655
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,319
Richard Doty surprise phone call into

656
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:28,960
fade to black back on February 1st 2018

657
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,510
and a little bit later in the second

658
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:33,970
segment of a second hour we're going to

659
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:40,119
discuss the Tom DeLonge balloon I'd like

660
00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:41,770
to welcome back to fade to black

661
00:34:47,789 --> 00:34:44,710
the one and only Richard bleep in Dolan

662
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:47,799
Richard good evening hello Jimmy good

663
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:48,940
evening thanks for having me on tonight

664
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:51,790
and Richard the first question I'm going

665
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:54,839
to allow you to answer for yourself

666
00:34:59,130 --> 00:34:57,730
yes actually I believe that I'm prepared

667
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:59,140
for this question because you've asked

668
00:35:05,339 --> 00:35:01,240
it every single time I think without

669
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:05,349
exception since we've been doing these

670
00:35:08,609 --> 00:35:07,089
these interviews on your show so you

671
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:08,619
want to know what was the last song I

672
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:10,990
listened to today yeah you know you are

673
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,640
good Richard you're good so here goes

674
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:17,200
this happened about two hours ago Tracy

675
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:19,420
and I put on our white Adidas sneakers

676
00:35:24,099 --> 00:35:22,690
and cranked out a little Run DMC it's

677
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:24,109
tricky no

678
00:35:41,769 --> 00:35:30,680
did not did you really so did little

679
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:41,779
maneuvers on the floor who was run we

680
00:35:45,579 --> 00:35:43,369
got some adidas we have that whole thing

681
00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:45,589
happened oh man I'd have paid money I'd

682
00:35:52,749 --> 00:35:49,069
have paid money paid money right out

683
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:52,759
what happened welcome back to the show

684
00:35:57,789 --> 00:35:54,950
my friend hi I know you've been on the

685
00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:57,799
road for the last week or so and you're

686
00:36:02,079 --> 00:35:59,960
back home everything good everything's

687
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,089
very good very happy to be happy to be

688
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:05,119
out and I'm happy to be back so let's

689
00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:07,430
let's jump straight into this because we

690
00:36:13,269 --> 00:36:10,789
have a lot to cover from that 90 minute

691
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:13,279
phone call and I will just say to the

692
00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:16,130
audience that Richard and I last week

693
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:19,579
rich and I talk often we really do but

694
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:23,960
last week Richard you and I had a string

695
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:26,630
of probably 20 or 30 phone calls over a

696
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:30,470
couple of days didn't we it was a lot we

697
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:34,640
talked a lot on the phone and excuse me

698
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:36,200
it's not the first time we do have a lot

699
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,710
of off-the-cuff conversations we do and

700
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:42,079
there's there's a lot going on right now

701
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:46,700
in our community and this this phone

702
00:36:55,269 --> 00:36:51,190
call from Richard Doty it it completely

703
00:36:59,529 --> 00:36:55,279
caught me by surprise what was elegant

704
00:37:02,680 --> 00:36:59,539
about the phone call was that I've never

705
00:37:06,670 --> 00:37:02,690
interviewed him before and I have had a

706
00:37:09,339 --> 00:37:06,680
list of questions in my mind that have

707
00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:09,349
been catalogued just in case we ever

708
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:11,420
bumped into each other in public or

709
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:12,619
whatever I never thought it would be on

710
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:16,940
the air but so I was I was armed and

711
00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:17,390
ready

712
00:37:21,789 --> 00:37:20,150
I'm not gonna give my opinion at about

713
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:21,799
that whole thing because let me just say

714
00:37:26,529 --> 00:37:24,920
you were very well-prepared I want to

715
00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:26,539
tell you it's actually a classic

716
00:37:32,319 --> 00:37:28,940
interview Tracy and I listened to it and

717
00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:32,329
I feel like it's one of these

718
00:37:39,249 --> 00:37:36,200
conversations that really bears well it

719
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:39,259
bears careful listening Dody himself is

720
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:42,049
an interesting individual just to listen

721
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:44,450
to his mannerisms on the radio or are

722
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:47,180
quite interesting and I have to say that

723
00:37:52,539 --> 00:37:50,420
you were very much on point you asked

724
00:37:54,309 --> 00:37:52,549
all of the questions that I would never

725
00:37:56,589 --> 00:37:54,319
brewing in my mind or at least most of

726
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:56,599
them and you asked them pretty much at

727
00:38:00,190 --> 00:37:57,710
the same time that I would have wanted

728
00:38:02,529 --> 00:38:00,200
to ask them I think was a very good

729
00:38:04,059 --> 00:38:02,539
interview and I'm glad that this

730
00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:04,069
happened however it happened that he

731
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:06,230
called and you two got the chance to

732
00:38:16,809 --> 00:38:11,210
talk one of the because I was caught by

733
00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:16,819
surprise and I knew that with my my

734
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,279
feelings and my emotions about all of

735
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:22,160
these things that I could have ventured

736
00:38:27,789 --> 00:38:25,640
into a negative arena and I didn't want

737
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:27,799
him to hang up no no it was good

738
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:29,569
yeah so I want to tell you what what I

739
00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:31,910
would I feel a significant when you you

740
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:34,700
called me after this happened and you

741
00:38:37,809 --> 00:38:36,440
told me what you felt was your biggest

742
00:38:39,249 --> 00:38:37,819
takeaway and I'm going to tell you

743
00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:39,259
that's not what I think is my biggest

744
00:38:46,029 --> 00:38:41,630
takeaway now okay so let me jump in

745
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:46,039
since you and I talked when you know a

746
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:48,410
couple of weeks ago about this yeah my

747
00:38:53,019 --> 00:38:51,470
takeaway is different - okay so I had to

748
00:38:56,620 --> 00:38:53,029
go back and listen to it a couple of

749
00:38:59,289 --> 00:38:56,630
times and there was so there was so much

750
00:39:02,650 --> 00:38:59,299
gold there right I was like wow and and

751
00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:02,660
I just missed it my overall impression

752
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:04,700
when I called you yeah you're absolutely

753
00:39:11,019 --> 00:39:09,440
right now I'm curious let me just put

754
00:39:12,789 --> 00:39:11,029
that out there so you called me and

755
00:39:14,769 --> 00:39:12,799
maybe you've said this on on the air as

756
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,779
well but your your feeling to me was

757
00:39:19,479 --> 00:39:17,119
that Dodie had told you there were two

758
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:19,489
individuals who were active in the field

759
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:21,499
when he was an intelligence officer so

760
00:39:30,759 --> 00:39:28,460
up to 1988 who were working with Air

761
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,769
Force intelligence and who are still in

762
00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:32,480
the field and and you said to me one of

763
00:39:36,819 --> 00:39:34,369
them that he told me one of them is an

764
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:36,829
a-lister I didn't quite get that from

765
00:39:40,359 --> 00:39:38,119
him in the interview but nonetheless

766
00:39:42,309 --> 00:39:40,369
someone who's really relatively

767
00:39:44,589 --> 00:39:42,319
important and then someone who is not

768
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,599
not as well known right for you that was

769
00:39:47,859 --> 00:39:46,640
the big news and that is interesting

770
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:47,869
news and I'm not going to say it isn't

771
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:48,930
but what's

772
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,630
really news let me just listen roll down

773
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,859
the list I have my own little checklist

774
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:55,680
one is that he was briefed with 122

775
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:00,000
other agents starting in 1979 to

776
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,890
investigate UFOs or do

777
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:03,720
counterintelligence for UFOs for the Air

778
00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:04,260
Force

779
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,319
that's just OSI that doesn't include FBI

780
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:10,800
which he said offhandedly had possibly

781
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,990
even a larger crew I mean the impression

782
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:15,420
that he left without one statement was

783
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:17,940
at the FBI's operation in UFO

784
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:20,579
counter-intel was possibly even larger

785
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,160
than OSI of the Air Force and he also

786
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:24,960
mentioned that the Navy was quite active

787
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:27,420
with their own counter-intel but let's

788
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:31,290
just say with the 122 other agents with

789
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:35,099
Doty who each had several assets you

790
00:40:38,359 --> 00:40:36,540
mentioned this in your interview you

791
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:38,369
were estimating were there five hundred

792
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:42,079
assets within the UFO field and it's an

793
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:44,790
astonishing number to think about that

794
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,400
and that would only be with OSI if in

795
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:49,740
fact that is true so that's one take

796
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:51,569
away we can return to that another take

797
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:53,400
away and I don't know if you caught this

798
00:40:59,900 --> 00:40:57,210
one but to me this is significant when

799
00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:59,910
you know relating to Paul bennewitz so

800
00:41:03,859 --> 00:41:01,890
for anyone who's not familiar with this

801
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:03,869
I mean it's generally a well-known story

802
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:05,460
within the UFO field but just very

803
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:09,180
briefly bennewitz was a small defense

804
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:12,210
contractor in the 1970s and 80s he lived

805
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:14,460
across from Kirtland Air Force Base in

806
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:21,599
New Mexico and saw objects over Kirtland

807
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:22,859
he had very sophisticated

808
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:25,710
instrumentation for the time he believed

809
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:27,660
that these were extraterrestrial in

810
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,130
origin and this got him into a whole

811
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,920
mess of trouble when he patriotically

812
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:34,319
called the Air Force to let them know

813
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:37,010
about what was happening the the basic

814
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:39,150
statement that's gone out there ever

815
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:41,390
since and this is in Greg bishops book

816
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:44,130
project beta and other analyses is that

817
00:41:48,289 --> 00:41:45,990
bennewitz really didn't see any UFOs at

818
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,299
all but that the air force and

819
00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:50,160
intelligence went after him to derail

820
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,440
him from what they were testing

821
00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:56,520
technology there they were working on to

822
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:58,230
make him think it was extraterrestrials

823
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:00,359
this is a very common theme and a very

824
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:03,110
common meme out there but I will

825
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:05,390
I'm just gonna stay here in my own

826
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:08,820
history on this particularly vol 2 of

827
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,770
UFOs in the national security state I

828
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:12,960
had my own reasons for not believin that

829
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:18,120
story 100% I am not willing to state

830
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,650
that bennewitz wasn't seeing anything

831
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,260
anomalous over Kirtland because he

832
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:24,420
wasn't the only person dealing with

833
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,450
anomalous activity at Kirtland Bruce

834
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,700
Maccabee did his own investigation of

835
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:31,200
what was going on over at Manzano

836
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,510
weapons storage facility connected to

837
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:35,760
Kirtland lots of UFOs there in the late

838
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:41,790
70s anyway what Dodi said to you in the

839
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:43,770
interview was that Benowitz had taken a

840
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:46,170
lot of photos over Kirtland most of

841
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,110
which were not taken but he had a lot of

842
00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:51,180
photographs of UFOs that he was able to

843
00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:52,620
see most of those were not that

844
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:53,340
interesting

845
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:56,370
they were photos of photos but he but

846
00:43:02,750 --> 00:42:59,220
Dodi did say some photos bennewitz had

847
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:02,760
taken over Kirtland and these according

848
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,880
to Dodi were very unusual if you recall

849
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:08,400
mm-hmm and they were unexplained in his

850
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:11,580
words and I found that interesting I

851
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,250
don't think bennewitz was completely off

852
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:16,980
his rocker here I think Benowitz was

853
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:19,890
indeed seeing anomalous things and again

854
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,380
as I say I'm not willing to just roll

855
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:24,720
over for this one as many people have

856
00:43:31,090 --> 00:43:27,870
said that he was only seeing classified

857
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:31,100
technology I'm not quite sure about that

858
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,180
one other thing that I would just

859
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:36,420
mention I found it very interesting that

860
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Dodi mentioned his close friendship with

861
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,930
former CIA director Richard Helms who

862
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:44,910
was identified as Falcon and that was

863
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:47,190
somewhat known but nonetheless that was

864
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:49,050
interesting that he mentioned this and

865
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:51,180
it was interesting that he mentioned

866
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:56,100
when he was briefed on UFOs in 1979 they

867
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:00,480
were given a video kind of a video

868
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:03,350
briefing or a film briefing as he put it

869
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:07,230
in which Roswell was stated to have

870
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:10,350
happened that had two specific crashes

871
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:12,060
that comprised Roswell which of course a

872
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:13,650
lot of researchers have maintained and

873
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:16,850
that the UFO phenomenon was real and

874
00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:18,590
I've always from the things that I've

875
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:20,900
learned about Dodie he grew up his

876
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:24,530
father was very well-connected military

877
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:27,080
man and I can't remember precisely where

878
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:30,950
I remember reading this but Dodie always

879
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:33,380
seemed to be someone who grew up with or

880
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,090
at least as a young man with the

881
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:37,760
knowledge of the UFO ET reality I've

882
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:39,020
never really had reason to doubt that

883
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:42,440
that was the case so um all of that came

884
00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:43,700
out in the interview there's a lot more

885
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:46,460
oh and then the aviary let me just right

886
00:44:50,830 --> 00:44:49,370
right that's where I was going next well

887
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:50,840
I just want to mention this because this

888
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:52,310
is something that I did write about and

889
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,470
I I think the story of the aviary is not

890
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,440
a mystery anymore so allow me just to

891
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:00,140
give you my take on it the aviary Dodie

892
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:02,210
said he didn't know how it started and

893
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:04,850
you said you didn't but from everything

894
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:08,720
that I have learned the aviary was

895
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:12,500
simply a name given to a group of

896
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:14,210
loosely connected friends in the

897
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:17,150
intelligence community who were very

898
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,150
interested in UFOs and some of them

899
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:21,440
started around I think

900
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:23,110
Air Force colonel Ernie Keller Strauss

901
00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:26,510
worked at a wright-patt and also worked

902
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:29,300
out I can't remember his entire career I

903
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:31,330
think he was out west as well in Nevada

904
00:45:37,570 --> 00:45:34,700
Robert Collins of course was connected

905
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:37,580
with him how put off John Alexander dr.

906
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:40,760
Christopher Greene and a number of other

907
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:44,440
people who would loosely talk about UFOs

908
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:48,650
together Bill Moore will be more the UFO

909
00:45:55,390 --> 00:45:52,160
researcher during the 80s from what I

910
00:46:02,110 --> 00:45:55,400
recall learning was following these guys

911
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,120
and was so paranoid over being overheard

912
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:03,920
or keeping the identities of these

913
00:46:09,130 --> 00:46:06,440
people anonymous that he gave them bird

914
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:09,140
names in his conversations with Jamie

915
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,510
shandur a who was probably an agent for

916
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,240
somebody chanter he seems like a

917
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:16,400
definite intelligence character to me

918
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,710
but in their conversations Moore gave

919
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:21,200
all of these people bird names and the

920
00:46:26,530 --> 00:46:23,530
nickname the aviary was they developed

921
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,540
to describe the whole group but it was a

922
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:28,880
loose Association it wasn't an actual

923
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:30,530
organization from what I

924
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:32,390
and the president was considered a

925
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:34,220
member of the aviary his name was Eagle

926
00:46:38,350 --> 00:46:36,650
if I'm not mistaken but no president to

927
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:38,360
my knowledge was actually ever part of

928
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:40,280
these conversation it was just a name

929
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,010
that Moore gave him so it was kind of

930
00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:46,640
not a real organization but it was the

931
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:50,840
name of a group that Moore himself like

932
00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:52,820
he coined this himself and I'm I think

933
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:55,340
it's in a sense it's it's important

934
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:56,930
because these are interesting people and

935
00:47:00,310 --> 00:46:58,850
they are well-connected and they do know

936
00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:00,320
a few things I'm convinced that all of

937
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:01,880
them know a few things about this

938
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:05,810
subject but he alone out of proportion

939
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:09,130
yeah he alluded to Dodi

940
00:47:15,340 --> 00:47:12,050
that well he did say directly so well

941
00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:15,350
when I got involved with the aviary and

942
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,080
I'm quoting from him it was already

943
00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:20,720
running right and that's what he said

944
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:23,990
and and I thought okay with that that's

945
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:26,270
an inner you know for him to say that

946
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:29,950
directly when I got involved yeah but

947
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:32,060
well let me continue to take that a

948
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:33,170
couple of ways there's one other thing

949
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:34,730
that I want to bring up with Dodi and

950
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:35,780
sure I'm sure

951
00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:37,370
I had this is a long conversation I had

952
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:41,420
with Traci she mentioned this right out

953
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:43,490
of the gate and it's a key question and

954
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:46,010
we need to ask us which is why was Dodi

955
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:48,770
calling you at all right all right

956
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:52,460
that's really important because if you

957
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:56,270
really think about it and and I don't

958
00:48:00,220 --> 00:47:57,440
really know where I want to go with this

959
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:00,230
but you know he came out with a couple

960
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:01,010
of bombshells

961
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:03,530
and he did come out with information

962
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:05,330
that could you know we could take in a

963
00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:07,250
very divisive way that could sow

964
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:11,840
paranoia among researchers make us think

965
00:48:16,930 --> 00:48:14,870
who to trust who not to trust and I just

966
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:16,940
find it interesting you know he called

967
00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:19,790
now out of the blue for what purpose

968
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:22,070
what did this accomplish from his point

969
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:26,690
of view I don't have the answer I don't

970
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,350
either and so with these other I want to

971
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:32,480
stay on the aviary because with these

972
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:34,310
other two you know researchers on the

973
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,750
circuit that are out there you know what

974
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:37,760
at the top one is you know underneath

975
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,850
and but didn't want to give names right

976
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:43,760
he did he did say dick helm

977
00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:46,010
so he went there but when he was talking

978
00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:49,190
about the aviary and I know you had to

979
00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:52,190
stop and pause at this too because he

980
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:54,920
said when I got involved it was already

981
00:49:02,920 --> 00:48:59,270
running he alluded to CIA and again he

982
00:49:06,070 --> 00:49:02,930
kept he didn't say it was airforce that

983
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,080
it was a CIA operation and then he said

984
00:49:11,830 --> 00:49:08,480
there were two other people involved

985
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:11,840
with the aviary as well and one was Bill

986
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:15,470
Ryan and his girlfriend and I stopped

987
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:17,930
and I went he didn't know I have to

988
00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:20,420
correct you okay has to be of course why

989
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:24,590
yeah I said Kerry Cassidy right which in

990
00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:28,130
and he mentioned 2005 or so timeframe

991
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:30,680
and that that would be accurate but he

992
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:33,170
was not saying that they were members of

993
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:36,650
the aviary what he was saying was that

994
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:40,190
they were they were accompanied with

995
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:43,330
Jaime accompanying Jaime SH and array at

996
00:49:48,670 --> 00:49:46,850
Laughlin I assume at the International

997
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:48,680
UFO Congress when it was held in

998
00:49:53,590 --> 00:49:50,900
Laughlin if you remember and he said in

999
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:53,600
that context Jaime shandur a was there

1000
00:49:59,410 --> 00:49:57,200
with them but he did not say that they

1001
00:50:04,090 --> 00:49:59,420
were members of the aviary oh okay see

1002
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:04,100
okay all right gender aid kind of gone

1003
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:06,710
off his rocker by then and he alluded to

1004
00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:10,610
drugs talking about being you know take

1005
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:12,980
taken and beaten up by military goons

1006
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:15,530
for having seen some kind of et related

1007
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:18,530
thing I mean right he was off the

1008
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:20,750
reservation by then now what do we do

1009
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:23,990
with and I stand corrected on the bill

1010
00:50:29,290 --> 00:50:25,730
Ryan Kerry Cassidy thing I just thought

1011
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:29,300
it was strange where he you know he's

1012
00:50:36,670 --> 00:50:34,880
risen to name names but those two came

1013
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:36,680
out in this conversation I was just

1014
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,450
thinking why why would he do that

1015
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,400
but which takes me to my next question

1016
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:43,040
directly for you and then we'll go back

1017
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:44,600
and start to pick some of the stuff

1018
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:49,490
apart is he's a professional disinfo

1019
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:52,130
agent he's a liar he's a professional

1020
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:55,730
liar that's his gig so what do we trust

1021
00:51:02,740 --> 00:50:57,290
out of this phone

1022
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:02,750
call well I don't know I mean the whole

1023
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:04,990
idea of a hundred and twenty two other

1024
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:09,230
agents hired by OSI he almost made it

1025
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:11,270
seem like they were all hired at the

1026
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:13,730
same time but I don't really know maybe

1027
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:15,950
that's not the case maybe he was just

1028
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:17,480
one of a hundred and twenty two other

1029
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:20,990
OSI agents at that time who were working

1030
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:24,200
the UFO counterintelligence beat as it

1031
00:51:31,810 --> 00:51:28,670
were mm-hmm I mean it seems that seems

1032
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:31,820
like a lot on the other hand in the in

1033
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:35,390
the 70s there was no internet there was

1034
00:51:40,510 --> 00:51:37,190
no project Bluebook as he himself

1035
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:40,520
mentioned so the the military didn't

1036
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:44,450
have a formal way of getting UFO reports

1037
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:48,020
from the public and so I guess you could

1038
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:51,110
reason you know if you're the Air Force

1039
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:53,240
you still consider UFO important reports

1040
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:55,130
important you're getting your own

1041
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,570
because you've got your own military

1042
00:52:02,440 --> 00:51:59,440
satellite system and so forth and your

1043
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:02,450
methods but you may want to still siphon

1044
00:52:06,850 --> 00:52:05,090
reports from the public I could see that

1045
00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:06,860
there's no question that they would want

1046
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:10,430
to infiltrate MUFON and APRA when they

1047
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:15,050
were around but would you need a hundred

1048
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:17,990
would you need that many that's I don't

1049
00:52:20,620 --> 00:52:19,370
know I mean it seems like an awful lot

1050
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:20,630
to me and then on top of that you've got

1051
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,090
Navy and FBI and who knows how what

1052
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:25,760
other organizations I've talked to other

1053
00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:27,890
researchers over the years who have come

1054
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:30,680
to me with stories about how the

1055
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:32,210
military in the intelligence community

1056
00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:35,470
has always been monitoring the UFO

1057
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:37,190
conference culture I had a conversation

1058
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:39,710
in fact I'll just mention this with my

1059
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:41,360
Canadian friend Victor V Gianni he told

1060
00:52:44,890 --> 00:52:42,830
me such a story that he had come across

1061
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:44,900
years ago I don't think he would have

1062
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:49,070
any problem repeating it that it came to

1063
00:52:54,610 --> 00:52:51,110
him through a contact that this was the

1064
00:52:57,340 --> 00:52:54,620
case that CIA was monitoring the UFO

1065
00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:57,350
crowd as it were way back in the 70s and

1066
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,570
80s so I don't think this is any new

1067
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:01,040
information and we shouldn't be

1068
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:06,140
surprised but the quantity that's that's

1069
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:09,230
a lot of it it seems a lot for something

1070
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:10,090
there wasn't

1071
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:14,760
to exist and in the seventies well

1072
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:18,130
seriously right right the UFO culture

1073
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,900
the conference cultured it wasn't a [\h__\h]

1074
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:21,280
there was not really a conference

1075
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:23,740
culture in the 70s it was a very old

1076
00:53:31,950 --> 00:53:28,230
boys network you know not a large

1077
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:31,960
community frankly and I mean much

1078
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,240
smaller than what we have today so I

1079
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:36,640
don't know if he would need that many it

1080
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:38,610
was interesting that he mentioned that

1081
00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:41,290
they had a very high level contact in

1082
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:44,860
MUFON gifts and I've got my own ideas

1083
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:47,860
about who that is he said he was from I

1084
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:53,650
think I think he said Arizona I don't

1085
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:55,270
recall that I said there was a high a

1086
00:54:00,540 --> 00:53:57,880
very high level board member of MUFON

1087
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,550
right I think he said Arizona I'm gonna

1088
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:03,520
have to go back and listen to that look

1089
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:05,050
everyone has I'm just gonna say this

1090
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:06,550
right now and I don't really care

1091
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:10,000
Tom Juliet MUFON has been senior board

1092
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:11,200
member for many many years

1093
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:14,940
former Navy and I believe NSA

1094
00:54:20,190 --> 00:54:17,170
long-standing intelligence community

1095
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:20,200
background it's been obvious to me that

1096
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:21,550
he's been and I've heard this from other

1097
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:23,230
MUFON people over many years that he's

1098
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:24,760
been a power behind the scenes at least

1099
00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:27,910
he was don't know if he is now but I

1100
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:30,040
can't I'm not accusing because I don't

1101
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:32,170
know but that would be an obvious one I

1102
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:35,250
would have thought the late Richard Hall

1103
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:39,870
who was also former Air Force and

1104
00:54:45,830 --> 00:54:42,760
definitely had a relationship with the

1105
00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:45,840
CIA back in the 1960s this is confirmed

1106
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:49,300
when he was with nycap the fact is that

1107
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:52,000
the UFO field at high levels has always

1108
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:54,430
been infiltrated the story of the

1109
00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:56,380
infiltration of nycap back in the 50s

1110
00:55:02,610 --> 00:54:59,380
and 60s has been pretty well discussed I

1111
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:02,620
wrote about it other researchers long

1112
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,970
before me were writing about it man

1113
00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:05,200
named Todd's echo was writing about

1114
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:09,070
night cap infiltration by the CIA long

1115
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:12,190
long ago so there it makes sense look if

1116
00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:15,150
you've got a military intelligence

1117
00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:17,080
situation where you're monitoring the

1118
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:19,120
UFO phenomenon you know it's real you

1119
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:21,090
know it's a problem you've got to keep

1120
00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:23,410
keep it under wraps to a large extent

1121
00:55:25,569 --> 00:55:23,660
then

1122
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:25,579
you need to monitor civilian groups and

1123
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:28,460
you need also to the extent necessary to

1124
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:30,530
control the civilian groups right so

1125
00:55:33,970 --> 00:55:31,970
they don't go into areas where you don't

1126
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:33,980
want this accords with the conclusions

1127
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:36,410
of the Robertson panel from the 1950s it

1128
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:40,940
also accords with CIA practices like

1129
00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:42,410
operation Mockingbird where they

1130
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:44,869
dominated had relationships with the US

1131
00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:48,650
media during the 50s and 60s and also

1132
00:55:53,529 --> 00:55:50,990
the CIA infiltration of a lot of

1133
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:53,539
nonprofit organizations and like

1134
00:55:57,069 --> 00:55:55,430
cultural organizations of the 50s and

1135
00:55:58,059 --> 00:55:57,079
60s and 70s this was their modus

1136
00:56:00,880 --> 00:55:58,069
operandi

1137
00:56:02,170 --> 00:56:00,890
it's how they controlled the parameters

1138
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:02,180
of culture and it would make perfect

1139
00:56:07,210 --> 00:56:03,890
sense that they would do the same for

1140
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:07,220
the UFO field he said and he wanted to

1141
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:10,130
drive this home he did this two or three

1142
00:56:21,849 --> 00:56:16,609
times that each one of the 122 was

1143
00:56:25,450 --> 00:56:21,859
required to have four assets you know

1144
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:25,460
and that's that's a duty safe or or or

1145
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:28,220
or or a multiple assets and since he had

1146
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:31,849
four one of which was Bill Moore one of

1147
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:33,410
which was an unnamed person I believe

1148
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:36,710
who died and then two others who are

1149
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:38,510
alive right but I don't know if all of

1150
00:56:44,109 --> 00:56:41,089
them had four but he implied yes they

1151
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:44,119
all had a small like a handful and there

1152
00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:47,270
was another point and I brought this up

1153
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,740
with you we've got to take a break here

1154
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:50,960
in about a minute Richard but okay which

1155
00:56:58,420 --> 00:56:55,520
was did he feel uncomfortable doing this

1156
00:57:01,120 --> 00:56:58,430
on the United States soil you know it's

1157
00:57:03,099 --> 00:57:01,130
it's another thing if it's outside of

1158
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:03,109
the United States but we're talking

1159
00:57:10,569 --> 00:57:06,799
about you know acquiring assets US

1160
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,579
citizens you know here in US soil and

1161
00:57:15,940 --> 00:57:13,760
investigate as as the air force here

1162
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:15,950
we're not writing be combatants were US

1163
00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:16,490
citizens

1164
00:57:20,410 --> 00:57:18,589
it's a dirty business but I don't think

1165
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,420
he felt guilty I feel he was doing that

1166
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,319
he felt he was doing his job you know

1167
00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:26,240
it's not like he feels he committed any

1168
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:29,660
crimes and technically he didn't but it

1169
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:32,390
is true you know Americans it took us a

1170
00:57:35,319 --> 00:57:33,740
long time to realize that our

1171
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,329
intelligence community was spying on us

1172
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:37,200
because legally they're not supposed

1173
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:39,150
to be but it actually has been going on

1174
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:42,050
a long time didn't NSA ran long before

1175
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:44,610
NSA was spying on us through programs

1176
00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:46,980
like William Binney and Snowden talked

1177
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:48,920
about they were doing something known as

1178
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:51,090
even before excellent they had a program

1179
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:53,250
called shamrock in the 50s and 60s where

1180
00:57:57,050 --> 00:57:55,110
they were monitoring domestic

1181
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:57,060
communications so it goes a long way

1182
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:01,500
it's an old story and it's can cause us

1183
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:04,110
to be indignant and it it is against

1184
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:06,570
everything that we wanted to believe

1185
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:08,790
about ourselves but you don't think he

1186
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:11,640
felt guilty no no no job not at all

1187
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:16,200
and I had I said to him you're wearing

1188
00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:18,660
civilian clothes you're at a UFO

1189
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:21,150
conference where people get freaked out

1190
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:22,800
if you thought if they knew that you

1191
00:58:28,550 --> 00:58:25,740
were always psy Air Force at this

1192
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:28,560
conference wearing civilian clothes did

1193
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:31,500
you tell anybody that you were Air Force

1194
00:58:36,110 --> 00:58:34,110
OSI at these meetings and he said you

1195
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:36,120
know who said he didn't and do you

1196
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:38,670
remember when he said at at least one of

1197
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:40,140
the Laughlin conferences the one where

1198
00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:41,970
George Knapp spoke he said I thought in

1199
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:45,720
2005 or 2006 that he said he identified

1200
00:58:50,090 --> 00:58:48,140
something like twenty or thirty right

1201
00:58:52,370 --> 00:58:50,100
intelligence officers sitting in the

1202
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:52,380
audience and he said he knew because he

1203
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:55,410
knew them personally yeah incredible

1204
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,420
being interesting bombshells and there

1205
00:59:02,240 --> 00:58:59,520
were others there is one about a Ronald

1206
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:02,250
Reagan being aware of a UFO landing or

1207
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:05,460
coming down low over in DC and 81 or 82

1208
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,020
if you recall yes

1209
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:08,640
there's kind of you toss that one out

1210
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:12,150
there get a lot to say we'll break down

1211
00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:14,760
we'll break down all of this yet let's

1212
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:16,320
go ahead and take a break right here I

1213
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:18,630
guess tonight Richard bleep in Dolan and

1214
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:20,730
we're analyzing and breaking down the

1215
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:23,010
Richard Doty phone call February 1st

1216
00:59:27,590 --> 00:59:25,770
that came in here to fade to black and

1217
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:27,600
we didn't interrupt it with commercials

1218
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,310
we went a straight 90 minutes with

1219
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:31,680
Richard Doty and that's what we're

1220
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,210
talking about tonight we'll be right

1221
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:35,760
back more with Richard Dolan right after

1222
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:37,840
this short break stay with us

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right here we're talking about the

1292
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Richard Doty surprise 90 minute phone

1293
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:48,010
call in to fade to black back on

1294
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:50,830
February 1st and Richard Nam one we're

1295
01:03:59,880 --> 01:03:55,020
talking about disinfo the the one thing

1296
01:04:01,410 --> 01:03:59,890
that was huge is for him to say that he

1297
01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:01,420
was briefed on Roswell

1298
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:03,880
Roswell was real to craft they collided

1299
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:08,050
that he saw 16 millimeter film with 20

1300
01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:11,680
other agents that were all and he said

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01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:13,390
they had to use a password to get into

1302
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:16,150
the room I'm wondering if he caught that

1303
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:21,480
but that Roswell did indeed happen and

1304
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:26,970
now couple of things he didn't mention

1305
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:29,290
all right so one thing that did not come

1306
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:32,350
up in this was Linda Moulton Howe no he

1307
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:35,410
didn't mention her so I would love for

1308
01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:37,470
Linda to be here to talk about this

1309
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:39,790
maybe you can talk with her about this I

1310
01:04:47,780 --> 01:04:41,950
did I talked to her for two hours about

1311
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:47,790
the phone call here's here's something

1312
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:50,470
so he did not he talked about Roswell

1313
01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:53,920
but he did not talk about Aztec and the

1314
01:05:00,030 --> 01:04:57,160
reason that's important to me is that a

1315
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:00,040
year and a half before the mj-12

1316
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:04,240
documents were mailed in the form of

1317
01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:06,970
negatives to to Jamey shandur a and I

1318
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:08,440
want to talk about Shan during a moment

1319
01:05:13,470 --> 01:05:11,490
sure but that that was in December of 84

1320
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:13,480
so a year and a half before that

1321
01:05:18,270 --> 01:05:15,790
actually I think 19 months before that

1322
01:05:21,450 --> 01:05:18,280
Richard Doty met with Linda Moulton Howe

1323
01:05:24,990 --> 01:05:21,460
as many people have researched this know

1324
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:25,000
and he brought her in to Kirtland and

1325
01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:27,430
they had a kind of an infamous meeting

1326
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:29,380
where it's basically a look but don't

1327
01:05:34,110 --> 01:05:30,730
touch meetings in other words he's

1328
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:34,120
showing her documents she's not allowed

1329
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:35,850
to photograph them she's not allowed to

1330
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,660
transcribe them she's not allowed to

1331
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:39,200
take them

1332
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:41,240
this is from what I have learned a

1333
01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:43,430
classic intelligence disinformation

1334
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:47,240
upper tactic actually but anyway he has

1335
01:05:54,010 --> 01:05:51,020
her reading documents that because she

1336
01:05:55,630 --> 01:05:54,020
has she has an amazing memory she had

1337
01:05:59,250 --> 01:05:55,640
she remembered very well but they were

1338
01:06:01,930 --> 01:05:59,260
briefing documents that were similar

1339
01:06:03,849 --> 01:06:01,940
that seemed similar to the mj-12

1340
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:03,859
documents that were released later but

1341
01:06:12,329 --> 01:06:07,730
different and these documents described

1342
01:06:14,260 --> 01:06:12,339
a crash of a UFO at Aztec New Mexico I

1343
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:14,270
think they may have mentioned one at

1344
01:06:18,930 --> 01:06:16,940
Roswell Linda can confirm that but

1345
01:06:22,930 --> 01:06:18,940
certainly they mentioned the Aztec crash

1346
01:06:27,069 --> 01:06:22,940
so the question is you know why didn't

1347
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:27,079
Dodi talk about that with you I mean

1348
01:06:32,170 --> 01:06:29,570
you'd think that if you're if you're in

1349
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:32,180
if you've been read into the program and

1350
01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:33,890
you know it really really well and I

1351
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:36,260
would imagine he would that you would

1352
01:06:40,660 --> 01:06:37,960
have mentioned Roswell in Aztec

1353
01:06:43,329 --> 01:06:40,670
side-by-side and by the way Aztec is no

1354
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:43,339
longer the pariah crash case that it

1355
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:45,710
used to be you know a lot of for many

1356
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:47,510
years people thought Aztec was just a

1357
01:06:54,569 --> 01:06:51,680
hoax and not a legitimate UFO crash I

1358
01:06:58,329 --> 01:06:54,579
don't think that's the case I think

1359
01:07:00,370 --> 01:06:58,339
there's been excellent work done on the

1360
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:00,380
Aztec crash Scott and Suzanne Ramsey in

1361
01:07:05,859 --> 01:07:02,450
particular I think of legitimately

1362
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:05,869
revived that case so my question is why

1363
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,480
didn't Dodi mention that there's some

1364
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:09,680
inconsistency didn't mention the whole

1365
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:11,390
relationship with Linda Moulton Howe I

1366
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:13,609
really would have liked for him to

1367
01:07:18,819 --> 01:07:15,650
discuss that but I guess there's only so

1368
01:07:22,750 --> 01:07:18,829
many minutes to get into this I it just

1369
01:07:26,170 --> 01:07:22,760
escaped me that and looking back now

1370
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:26,180
it's one of those things right but it

1371
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:29,630
escaped me now I talked to Linda about

1372
01:07:32,109 --> 01:07:31,490
this I'm just gonna say this very very

1373
01:07:35,859 --> 01:07:32,119
briefly

1374
01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:35,869
Linda's comments to me right were why

1375
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:38,780
give a known liar 90 minutes on the

1376
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:43,609
radio to spread more disinfo and and I

1377
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:46,010
said well he was just on phenomenon with

1378
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,930
you and she said yes to discuss the

1379
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:50,480
Rendlesham case and that he had seen

1380
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:52,410
some documents a

1381
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,059
Rendlesham while he was in the Air Force

1382
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:57,119
and we brought him on to confirm that

1383
01:08:03,259 --> 01:08:00,839
and I said to Lindy not to last right

1384
01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:03,269
right and I said but you just told me

1385
01:08:08,359 --> 01:08:05,160
that he was a known liar why give him

1386
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:08,369
time you guys did the same thing is he

1387
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:10,079
speaking the truth when he's on

1388
01:08:14,359 --> 01:08:12,059
phenomenon and not when he's on fade to

1389
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:14,369
black she said Jimmy good point you know

1390
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:18,810
and and so she was she asked me if we

1391
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:21,210
talk about Kirkland and I said no we did

1392
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:21,449
not

1393
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:27,150
say though she said Jimmy you've got to

1394
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,489
get back with Dodie and find out who

1395
01:08:33,649 --> 01:08:31,679
these two researchers are that are still

1396
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,659
on the circuit I'm curious I would like

1397
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:35,520
to know do you think he'd tell you I

1398
01:08:39,620 --> 01:08:37,770
said well all right well look I'm gonna

1399
01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:39,630
go talk to Linda because if she's

1400
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,549
calling him a known liar then why would

1401
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:43,920
anyone care what Dodie would have to say

1402
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:46,049
about who the researchers are because we

1403
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,299
don't even know if it's true right and I

1404
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,159
know this is the question again why call

1405
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:54,000
you at all what's the point and and

1406
01:09:00,680 --> 01:08:57,449
again going back to the Roswell case for

1407
01:09:01,459 --> 01:09:00,690
him to say again we don't know what to

1408
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:01,469
trust

1409
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:04,409
coming out of Dodie but for him to say

1410
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:08,730
it was de facto that he saw a 16

1411
01:09:13,820 --> 01:09:11,730
millimeter film that Roswell was real

1412
01:09:17,149 --> 01:09:13,830
that it was 2 crafts that collided and

1413
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,159
and where they were recovered from one

1414
01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:19,199
had bodies the other one had decomposed

1415
01:09:25,879 --> 01:09:23,609
bodies that some were taken alive and

1416
01:09:29,539 --> 01:09:25,889
and to state that as fact on this show

1417
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:29,549
as a member of the Air Force yeah

1418
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:30,299
exactly

1419
01:09:36,910 --> 01:09:32,130
I want to mention one other thing here

1420
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:36,920
about about Richard Doty which is that a

1421
01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:39,600
little over a decade ago and Robert

1422
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:41,400
Collins published his book as exempt

1423
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,690
from disclosure I was around 2005 or so

1424
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:48,239
I've got it downstairs I have the first

1425
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:50,690
edition which really needed some edits

1426
01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:53,489
on that first edition Richard Doty is

1427
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:56,550
listed as a co-author with Robert

1428
01:10:00,649 --> 01:09:57,900
Collins I don't know if you've seen this

1429
01:10:04,459 --> 01:10:00,659
book it's interesting and I remember the

1430
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:04,469
the big internet fight that broke out

1431
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:06,330
Dodie was very angry

1432
01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:08,250
publicly over having his name associated

1433
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:12,750
with this book and the way it came out

1434
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:15,510
to my understanding was a doe deed never

1435
01:10:20,420 --> 01:10:18,090
agreed to be listed as a co-author of

1436
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,430
this book that Collins had used some

1437
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:23,040
communications that he had had privately

1438
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:25,890
with Dodie incorporated that as part of

1439
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:30,960
the book and Dodie took umbrage against

1440
01:10:39,380 --> 01:10:33,480
that now that one of the parts in that

1441
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:39,390
book was a an interview this was clearly

1442
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:44,280
dodi's piece that that he supposedly

1443
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:46,530
witnessed at Los Alamos National Labs

1444
01:10:52,340 --> 01:10:50,820
and I believe 1982 I'm working off of

1445
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:52,350
memory here but I remember this pretty

1446
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:54,840
well and essentially what he wrote in

1447
01:10:58,460 --> 01:10:56,850
the book was that he witnessed an

1448
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,470
interview with an extraterrestrial

1449
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:01,440
entity behind a glass and it was

1450
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:03,570
supposedly done telepathically so this

1451
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:07,170
was included in the book and I remember

1452
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:11,030
when I read that I thought wow

1453
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:13,620
he's putting it out there and then of

1454
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:16,530
course he issues all of these denials at

1455
01:11:19,690 --> 01:11:18,090
the time that the book was published and

1456
01:11:24,020 --> 01:11:19,700
what I wanted to know is did he

1457
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,030
so was he denying that specific story or

1458
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,980
what exactly was he denying because if

1459
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:27,360
he was writing a private email the

1460
01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:30,420
Collins then you got to wonder what was

1461
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,190
what was going on here was this a true

1462
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:34,800
story was it's not a true story and I

1463
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:35,490
wrote to Jody

1464
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,780
at the time and he was very Curt with me

1465
01:11:45,140 --> 01:11:42,960
he was not not very forthcoming I simply

1466
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:45,150
asked you know look I know you've issued

1467
01:11:47,780 --> 01:11:46,260
he said well if you were paying

1468
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:47,790
attention he was kind of snide with me

1469
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:49,800
to be honest if you were paying

1470
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:50,760
attention you would know that I

1471
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:52,650
disavowed all of my connection to that

1472
01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:55,440
book and I said yeah I get that but I'm

1473
01:12:00,080 --> 01:11:57,560
asking you explicitly about the claim

1474
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:00,090
relating to Los Alamos were you there

1475
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:01,170
and did that happen and he never

1476
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:03,330
answered my question and I've always

1477
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,340
wondered I don't really know what's up

1478
01:12:10,460 --> 01:12:07,080
with Richard Doty in that regard I do

1479
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:10,470
have the idea like through his family he

1480
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:15,720
was indoctrinated into the UFO into UFO

1481
01:12:20,180 --> 01:12:18,990
knowledge and that he has always sort of

1482
01:12:22,730 --> 01:12:20,190
known about this

1483
01:12:24,230 --> 01:12:22,740
and I've always had this impression this

1484
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:24,240
feeling that yes he did

1485
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:27,030
he was a genuine believer in the reality

1486
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:30,510
of UFOs I have always thought this and

1487
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,090
his interview with you kind of

1488
01:12:39,380 --> 01:12:36,060
reinforced that with me do you think

1489
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:39,390
that I've had so many different comments

1490
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:43,830
from the listeners on it that some felt

1491
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:48,810
that he sounded a little bit nervous and

1492
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:50,270
now I would say so

1493
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,840
okay I was probably more nervous than he

1494
01:13:00,290 --> 01:12:57,090
was mad about you well you didn't your

1495
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:00,300
radio guy used to this Jimmy he he did

1496
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:02,850
sound nervous he hemmed and hawed a lot

1497
01:13:09,230 --> 01:13:06,300
he kind of rephrased he started a little

1498
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:09,240
bit yeah I think he sounded nervous now

1499
01:13:15,370 --> 01:13:12,090
he also now want I want to go back and

1500
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:15,380
visit one thing I thought he he was

1501
01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:18,120
paradoxical he was hypocritical he

1502
01:13:23,630 --> 01:13:21,150
reversed course and contradicted himself

1503
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:23,640
at a couple of points and I don't know

1504
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:27,810
if you caught this but he did he said at

1505
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:32,460
one point that he never spread this info

1506
01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:37,830
and then I cry but then he said I did he

1507
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:40,980
did I said his it was very legalistic so

1508
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:43,460
he said he didn't but oh s I did right

1509
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,400
and then when I said to him about well I

1510
01:13:54,140 --> 01:13:52,260
asked him a few different times one

1511
01:13:55,490 --> 01:13:54,150
about mj-12 when we can go back and

1512
01:14:00,320 --> 01:13:55,500
visit that I asked him about the

1513
01:14:02,930 --> 01:14:00,330
documents going to been awaits he said

1514
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:02,940
this and it was very interesting he said

1515
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:06,360
that it was it was an official document

1516
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:09,810
that they stamped top or that they tied

1517
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:12,480
they they stamped secret that he was in

1518
01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:14,310
Washington at the time he wasn't part of

1519
01:14:19,070 --> 01:14:16,350
this but they showed that to Dodi and

1520
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:19,080
then a few minutes later he said that it

1521
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:24,030
was a fake document right and I said no

1522
01:14:28,970 --> 01:14:25,650
yeah you guys went back he went back and

1523
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:28,980
forth on this and now there was one

1524
01:14:33,140 --> 01:14:31,770
document I was just looking for this a

1525
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:33,150
moment ago and I haven't pulled it up

1526
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:33,930
I've got it

1527
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:36,930
where it was believed he took a document

1528
01:14:42,380 --> 01:14:39,930
that referred to NSA and changed it to

1529
01:14:47,170 --> 01:14:42,390
NASA to protect NSA and it was a

1530
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,070
who's detecting extra-textual

1531
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:51,120
extraterrestrial signals but it was it

1532
01:14:56,210 --> 01:14:53,130
was actually very kind of provocative

1533
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:56,220
document and it was an interesting thing

1534
01:15:01,220 --> 01:14:58,770
like if it's if the only thing on it

1535
01:15:04,340 --> 01:15:01,230
that was fake was changing NSA to NASA

1536
01:15:06,140 --> 01:15:04,350
it's still a very explosive document but

1537
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:06,150
the real question is is that a

1538
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:08,190
completely fake document I suspect

1539
01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:10,590
researchers many I've concluded it is I

1540
01:15:16,670 --> 01:15:12,150
don't really know if there's a definite

1541
01:15:18,530 --> 01:15:16,680
conclusion on that particular one so no

1542
01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:18,540
you guys did go back and forth on it he

1543
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:21,990
was definitely not not forthcoming no

1544
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:24,090
and I don't know which one was true now

1545
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:28,080
see that's the yeah okay so then there

1546
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:29,970
was another part that I found very

1547
01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:32,670
interesting which was this concerning

1548
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:34,980
Bill Moore oh yeah I wanted to talk

1549
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:38,280
about this yes the the film

1550
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:40,410
unacknowledged was Steven Greer in which

1551
01:15:44,780 --> 01:15:43,110
dodi's interviewed I believe I've only

1552
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:44,790
seen the film once when I was at the

1553
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,240
premiere

1554
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:47,880
but I remember Dodi's saying something

1555
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:50,850
to the effect that they walked around

1556
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:53,310
with suitcases full of money

1557
01:15:58,610 --> 01:15:56,610
you know influencing people and and I

1558
01:16:00,710 --> 01:15:58,620
believe I'm paraphrasing there but it

1559
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:00,720
was something similar to that when I

1560
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:04,320
asked him how much he paid bill Moore he

1561
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:06,810
said oh you know 20 bucks here 40 bucks

1562
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:09,960
there you know travel expenses why would

1563
01:16:17,210 --> 01:16:13,970
Bill Moore sell his soul for 40 bucks

1564
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,220
right I remember reading this an

1565
01:16:21,260 --> 01:16:19,440
analysis of by Greg Bishop and project

1566
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:21,270
beta you may want to ask bishop you

1567
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:23,010
should interview him sometime I think he

1568
01:16:30,050 --> 01:16:26,130
would be very interesting on your show

1569
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,060
Greg of course wrote a book about Doty

1570
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:32,960
and bennewitz and Bill Moore this whole

1571
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:35,450
business and I think knows it very well

1572
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:38,040
I like Greg I don't know agree with

1573
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:39,930
every single perspective greg has on

1574
01:16:43,670 --> 01:16:41,460
this by the way but he's absolutely

1575
01:16:47,450 --> 01:16:43,680
worth listening to and I believe I read

1576
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:47,460
in his book he was analyzing more and

1577
01:16:50,890 --> 01:16:47,810
he's

1578
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:50,900
bill more MORE

1579
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:54,350
according to Bishop sort of worked his

1580
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:56,210
way knowing he developed these

1581
01:17:00,250 --> 01:16:57,440
relationships in the intelligence

1582
01:17:03,130 --> 01:17:00,260
community trying to get to the you know

1583
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:03,140
the goldmine Eldorado the the deep truth

1584
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:07,310
thinking he could separate the truth

1585
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:10,610
from the falsehoods and and work his way

1586
01:17:14,110 --> 01:17:11,930
through that was that was bishops

1587
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:14,120
interpretation I don't know if I agree

1588
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:15,050
with that

1589
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:17,530
Doty mentioned and reminded me that more

1590
01:17:22,690 --> 01:17:20,930
spoke Russian mm-hmm that since you're

1591
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:22,700
saying and I'm gonna tell you of a

1592
01:17:27,130 --> 01:17:25,400
conversation that I had a number of

1593
01:17:29,380 --> 01:17:27,140
years ago with former researcher William

1594
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,390
Steinman bill Steinman was still around

1595
01:17:33,970 --> 01:17:31,550
bill Steinman wrote a book on a stack

1596
01:17:38,890 --> 01:17:33,980
back in the 80s and I talked with

1597
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,900
Steinman years ago on the phone and he

1598
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:40,880
talked to me about Bill Moore now back

1599
01:17:45,190 --> 01:17:42,650
in the 1980s Steinman and Moore were

1600
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:45,200
both very active researchers in the UFO

1601
01:17:50,710 --> 01:17:48,320
field and more Moore was really the

1602
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:50,720
number one rock star in ufology during

1603
01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:52,970
that whole decade in my view he was the

1604
01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:55,430
most prominent he was in the most cut

1605
01:17:59,920 --> 01:17:58,610
Evan guard cutting-edge stuff and more

1606
01:18:00,520 --> 01:17:59,930
always struck me as quite brilliant

1607
01:18:02,740 --> 01:18:00,530
actually

1608
01:18:04,510 --> 01:18:02,750
but Steinman told me that he and Moore

1609
01:18:07,090 --> 01:18:04,520
are having a private conversation about

1610
01:18:09,940 --> 01:18:07,100
just their work and Simon was

1611
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:09,950
researching the Aztek crash Moore was

1612
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:12,580
looking into the Roswell crash and

1613
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:15,260
Steinman said to me that Moore told him

1614
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:18,290
at one point you are not going to work

1615
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:21,580
on the Aztec crash that's that is a non

1616
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:25,630
crash that's not that's a non-event

1617
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:27,770
Steinman got indignant he essentially

1618
01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:31,130
said to Moore who the hell are you who

1619
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:34,550
you working for like who are you working

1620
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:34,970
for

1621
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:38,330
and according to Bill Steinman he said

1622
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:42,710
to me Moore replied I want to get this

1623
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:47,450
right Moore replied that he had always

1624
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:50,090
been working for the CIA that he had

1625
01:18:56,670 --> 01:18:52,510
never not been working for the CIA

1626
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:56,680
that's Bill Steinman's words to me a

1627
01:19:01,210 --> 01:19:00,080
decade ago I talked would this talk to

1628
01:19:01,740 --> 01:19:01,220
Linda Moulton Howe about this as a

1629
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:01,750
matter of fact

1630
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:07,090
and suspicions I think yeah that's more

1631
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:08,920
but how do you how do I prove it I can't

1632
01:19:15,140 --> 01:19:12,130
prove you can't you can very much let's

1633
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:15,150
go one more partner in the mj-12

1634
01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:18,820
business was Jamie Shandy right now

1635
01:19:24,990 --> 01:19:22,120
shandur a has long been suspected to

1636
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:25,000
have strong intelligence connections not

1637
01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:26,860
just by me but a lot of other people

1638
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:29,320
have looked at him and guess what so now

1639
01:19:34,140 --> 01:19:31,300
you have Dodi telling you in the

1640
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,150
interview that Shanna Ray had multiple

1641
01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:35,440
contacts with the Defense Intelligence

1642
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:40,150
Agency the DIA and that does not that

1643
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:42,850
would not surprise me in least not in

1644
01:19:45,450 --> 01:19:43,600
the least

1645
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:45,460
who is Jamie Shandra how did he come

1646
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:46,780
into this field and how did he get to be

1647
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:49,750
so prominent in all of this business and

1648
01:19:55,470 --> 01:19:53,290
how is it that he received the mj-12

1649
01:19:59,580 --> 01:19:55,480
documents in the mail before anyone else

1650
01:20:02,760 --> 01:19:59,590
even before bill more and now and I and

1651
01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:02,770
I and I and I referenced this with

1652
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:05,380
Richard you know the famous speech in

1653
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:08,380
Las Vegas where Bill Moore ran out the

1654
01:20:11,670 --> 01:20:09,310
back door

1655
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:11,680
that was in 1989 by the way Dodi I think

1656
01:20:18,930 --> 01:20:15,070
said 91 yeah 91 there was an 89 and and

1657
01:20:23,070 --> 01:20:18,940
when and I've seen that a few times it's

1658
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:23,080
a hard it's hard footage to find but -

1659
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:25,210
the money reddit that you connect

1660
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:27,610
there's a video and Moore's yes yes and

1661
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:30,130
it's it's great anyway let just check

1662
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,750
this out you have to show me that

1663
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:33,520
sometimes I'd like to see that this is

1664
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:35,410
what I remember coming out of his mouth

1665
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:37,570
and I heard the crowd started to boo

1666
01:20:52,290 --> 01:20:44,410
right I was waiting for the shoes is

1667
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,300
this he said that he was a CIA and Air

1668
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:55,360
Force asset and he was and had been

1669
01:21:01,980 --> 01:20:58,570
spreading disinfo out into the UFO

1670
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:01,990
community and and he was apologizing for

1671
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,170
that now

1672
01:21:11,100 --> 01:21:07,600
according to Richard Doty all the

1673
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:11,110
information came from Bill Moore to Doty

1674
01:21:17,220 --> 01:21:14,110
he never gave anything

1675
01:21:21,419 --> 01:21:17,230
who bill more that's what Dodi said and

1676
01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:21,429
I'm not buying into that bill did have

1677
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:25,900
multiple contacts right right right like

1678
01:21:30,930 --> 01:21:28,690
the so-called Aquarius document that

1679
01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,940
more god I'm remembering the story

1680
01:21:34,379 --> 01:21:32,560
behind that that was not connected with

1681
01:21:37,399 --> 01:21:34,389
Dodi as far as I can recall that was

1682
01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:37,409
other other economy individuals yeah

1683
01:21:41,609 --> 01:21:39,790
some more more had his own

1684
01:21:43,950 --> 01:21:41,619
cloak-and-dagger existence that he lives

1685
01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:43,960
throughout the 1980s I think and it was

1686
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:48,790
beyond Richard Doty so he I don't know

1687
01:21:55,530 --> 01:21:51,540
the full extent of Willie Moore's

1688
01:21:57,870 --> 01:21:55,540
behind-the-scenes contacts what he was

1689
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,880
doing but what what did Doty explicitly

1690
01:22:02,220 --> 01:21:59,920
give more yeah I remember you asked Dodi

1691
01:22:03,899 --> 01:22:02,230
this question and it would seem like

1692
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:03,909
more and then you mentioned Bill Moore

1693
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:07,030
is a janitor mm-hmm in some high school

1694
01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:08,530
in Pennsylvania is that what I heard

1695
01:22:13,649 --> 01:22:10,840
yeah yeah yeah jr. I did not know that I

1696
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:13,659
thought he was living somewhere else I

1697
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:15,489
didn't know he was but that sounds

1698
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:24,899
always wanted to I mean I would find it

1699
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:26,440
fascinating to talk with Bill Moore for

1700
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:30,190
sure there is if you ever get the chance

1701
01:22:34,189 --> 01:22:32,170
and I invite the audience to do this

1702
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:34,199
there was a guy named Bill Jenkins that

1703
01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:38,110
had a radio show here in the 80s in Los

1704
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:40,030
Angeles who was unbelievable an don't

1705
01:22:45,419 --> 01:22:43,050
believe who was called open minds right

1706
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:45,429
really yeah and it was on Saturday

1707
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:50,880
nights I'm KABC here in Los Angeles and

1708
01:22:57,780 --> 01:22:53,679
it was just it was you know it's the

1709
01:23:00,120 --> 01:22:57,790
precursor to coast to coast am and and

1710
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:00,130
Billy Gillman out of you know Las Vegas

1711
01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:04,270
but there is there's this one show that

1712
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:06,670
he did with Bill Moore he did a few but

1713
01:23:14,129 --> 01:23:11,350
bill Moore and this was 1985 now think

1714
01:23:16,669 --> 01:23:14,139
about that for some wow yeah 1985 and

1715
01:23:18,959 --> 01:23:16,679
Bill Moore is saying things like man

1716
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:18,969
okay after the break I'm gonna show you

1717
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:22,000
this new letter I just got that I'm

1718
01:23:27,010 --> 01:23:24,860
gonna release this the mj-12

1719
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:27,020
from the air he was sitting on it all

1720
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:30,830
through 85 86 and the first half of 1987

1721
01:23:35,290 --> 01:23:33,710
and and I'm listening to this going it's

1722
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:35,300
something else to say about that yeah go

1723
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:36,080
ahead go ahead

1724
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,760
all right look I'm sorry I keep jumping

1725
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:39,920
in but this it just keeps pouring out of

1726
01:23:44,740 --> 01:23:42,230
my head now so I talked with Timothy

1727
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:44,750
good Timothy good

1728
01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:48,260
you may remember publish the mj-12

1729
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:50,360
documents in his book above top secret

1730
01:24:01,380 --> 01:23:53,450
you'll see did also came out in the

1731
01:24:04,810 --> 01:24:01,390
summer of 1987 all right yes 1987 and

1732
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:04,820
more the thing is more and I think Stan

1733
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:07,010
Friedman - if I'm not mistaken was we're

1734
01:24:11,770 --> 01:24:08,990
sitting a very few people were sitting

1735
01:24:14,410 --> 01:24:11,780
on the mj-12 documents through 85 and 86

1736
01:24:16,630 --> 01:24:14,420
and honestly legitimately so all right

1737
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:16,640
so you get something this explosive you

1738
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:18,530
don't just throw it out there right so

1739
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,690
more wanted time to kind of vet the

1740
01:24:26,650 --> 01:24:25,520
document to research it right to figure

1741
01:24:28,780 --> 01:24:26,660
out what he could figure out about it

1742
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:28,790
that I totally understand that you don't

1743
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,790
just take an anonymous document put it

1744
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:33,920
right out there until you do some due

1745
01:24:38,170 --> 01:24:35,210
diligence and that's what he was trying

1746
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:38,180
to do the problem was the impression

1747
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:40,370
that I get see Doty said that he did not

1748
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:42,310
send the mj-12 documents and I'm

1749
01:24:51,730 --> 01:24:45,410
skeptical of that claim so am i all

1750
01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:51,740
right because the letter to that where

1751
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,340
the film arrived - Jamie shandur a

1752
01:24:59,170 --> 01:24:57,440
unless I've got my my information wrong

1753
01:25:01,450 --> 01:24:59,180
here but I thought was postmarked

1754
01:25:04,030 --> 01:25:01,460
Albuquerque New Mexico that's right

1755
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:04,040
so that's Kirtland that's right nobody

1756
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:08,690
was and and so anyway Tim good I spoke

1757
01:25:14,770 --> 01:25:12,440
to Tim good about where he got his mj-12

1758
01:25:21,070 --> 01:25:14,780
documents from look this is a while ago

1759
01:25:23,710 --> 01:25:21,080
and he really didn't seem to know

1760
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:23,720
exactly how or like from which source

1761
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:27,170
but it was his opinion that he believed

1762
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:30,800
the ultimate source was Richard Doty so

1763
01:25:37,060 --> 01:25:34,610
that's that's from Tim good because what

1764
01:25:38,699 --> 01:25:37,070
happened was Doty I think or whoever

1765
01:25:41,819 --> 01:25:38,709
sent these documents to Moore

1766
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,829
got tired of sitting around while more

1767
01:25:45,629 --> 01:25:43,840
and the other researchers seem to be

1768
01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:45,639
sitting on their hands not publicizing

1769
01:25:50,910 --> 01:25:47,800
the documents so someone got them to Tim

1770
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:50,920
good over in the UK so that he would

1771
01:25:57,449 --> 01:25:53,920
publicize them if if Moore was not going

1772
01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:57,459
to Tim good was going to see that's the

1773
01:26:04,799 --> 01:26:00,820
whole thing and so someone wanted these

1774
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:04,809
documents publicized I still have my

1775
01:26:09,629 --> 01:26:07,840
copy of above top secret which I got

1776
01:26:13,529 --> 01:26:09,639
when it was released I still have it

1777
01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:13,539
that was my Bible I mean I could night

1778
01:26:20,370 --> 01:26:17,800
as well oh man that was the first major

1779
01:26:24,839 --> 01:26:20,380
book that really got me deep into the

1780
01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:24,849
UFO subject yeah yeah me too it to this

1781
01:26:32,879 --> 01:26:27,820
day what what a piece of work right but

1782
01:26:35,429 --> 01:26:32,889
absolutely it was masseur prise me that

1783
01:26:38,370 --> 01:26:35,439
Dodie was so adamant about the mj-12

1784
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:38,380
documents because all fingers point to

1785
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:41,050
him on this and that's just the way that

1786
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:43,510
they not the majestic documents no I

1787
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:45,610
really feels important emphasizes that

1788
01:26:49,529 --> 01:26:47,650
you know which is if you print out all

1789
01:26:51,449 --> 01:26:49,539
the majestic documents which are on Bob

1790
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:51,459
and Ryan woods website and I have

1791
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:53,199
printed them off and I actually comb

1792
01:26:57,089 --> 01:26:55,209
bound them and read them through that

1793
01:26:59,250 --> 01:26:57,099
that way it's almost and it's like an

1794
01:27:01,859 --> 01:26:59,260
inch and a half thick it's a lot of

1795
01:27:05,509 --> 01:27:01,869
documents so that's I see no connection

1796
01:27:09,569 --> 01:27:05,519
with Richard Doty to those whatsoever

1797
01:27:11,219 --> 01:27:09,579
but j12 documents and I wouldn't say

1798
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:11,229
that he's the author of any of these I

1799
01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:13,689
would doubt that I would seriously doubt

1800
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:18,340
that but I don't know I mean the mj-12

1801
01:27:23,069 --> 01:27:21,550
documents too are still I know there's

1802
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:23,079
researchers who are adamant that there

1803
01:27:29,189 --> 01:27:26,590
in absolute hoaxes and Stan Friedman

1804
01:27:33,919 --> 01:27:29,199
does not believe that he believes toupee

1805
01:27:35,729 --> 01:27:33,929
two of them the twining document is real

1806
01:27:38,699 --> 01:27:35,739
well you're talking about now they

1807
01:27:40,529 --> 01:27:38,709
majest know the the 20 the 20 document

1808
01:27:42,089 --> 01:27:40,539
part of the mj-12 Packers come when he

1809
01:27:45,299 --> 01:27:42,099
got out of I think the Library of

1810
01:27:46,799 --> 01:27:45,309
Congress remember yeah you talk about

1811
01:27:49,259 --> 01:27:46,809
the Cutler twining member yeah the

1812
01:27:51,779 --> 01:27:49,269
Cutler twining memo that's that's really

1813
01:27:52,530 --> 01:27:51,789
that's not the formal original mj-12

1814
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:52,540
document

1815
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:56,110
release but it is it's part of the

1816
01:27:59,040 --> 01:27:57,610
picture it's something that we need to

1817
01:28:00,780 --> 01:27:59,050
consider yet and stan has always

1818
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:00,790
believed that's legit and I think

1819
01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:02,050
there's actually a good case that that's

1820
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:05,500
legit personal opinion there are

1821
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:07,570
arguments against it but also the

1822
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:12,280
massive stack of documents on the

1823
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:15,400
majestic documents website bot and Ryan

1824
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:17,290
would most a lot of run from a guy named

1825
01:28:21,180 --> 01:28:19,540
Tim Cooper but not exclusively that

1826
01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:21,190
includes the special operations manual

1827
01:28:28,260 --> 01:28:24,520
101 the psalm 101 which is a fascinating

1828
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:28,270
read a lot of these are I don't I'm not

1829
01:28:31,470 --> 01:28:29,590
comfortable with the argument that says

1830
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:31,480
all of these are fake or hoaxes and

1831
01:28:40,530 --> 01:28:36,930
disinfo I'm just not even the psalm 101

1832
01:28:43,860 --> 01:28:40,540
he believes that one the my take with

1833
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:43,870
this though I just pictured the the the

1834
01:28:51,630 --> 01:28:48,070
artistry the level of technical effort

1835
01:28:53,670 --> 01:28:51,640
put behind those documents says to me

1836
01:28:57,380 --> 01:28:53,680
that there was a team of professionals

1837
01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:57,390
at Circular to putting this together I

1838
01:29:01,410 --> 01:28:59,400
believe this for a long time

1839
01:29:02,340 --> 01:29:01,420
particularly the majestic documents I

1840
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:02,350
know we're getting a little off from

1841
01:29:05,820 --> 01:29:03,790
Richard Doty here but I just want to say

1842
01:29:08,490 --> 01:29:05,830
when you look at all of those documents

1843
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:08,500
as a unit alright first of all the

1844
01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:09,910
number one conclusion is they were not

1845
01:29:13,230 --> 01:29:11,320
cranked out of someone's basement this

1846
01:29:15,570 --> 01:29:13,240
is not a one-man operation one person

1847
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:15,580
not a chance the amount of information

1848
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,710
is too vast the sophistication is too

1849
01:29:22,350 --> 01:29:19,600
great he could not have done it you

1850
01:29:25,140 --> 01:29:22,360
would need a team of PhD level dissin

1851
01:29:26,730 --> 01:29:25,150
experts that would only come from US

1852
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:26,740
intelligence and then the answer is if

1853
01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:29,530
they're creating this info who for me

1854
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:32,380
you other researchers are you kidding me

1855
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:35,260
why bother at all why create this I

1856
01:29:40,710 --> 01:29:38,410
would say I spoke to one intelligence

1857
01:29:42,150 --> 01:29:40,720
community professional who said well it

1858
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:42,160
could be for the Soviets could be for

1859
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:44,410
the Russians and I said why he said well

1860
01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:46,510
because there would be technical

1861
01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:49,300
information that the Russians would use

1862
01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:50,860
that would lead them perhaps down a

1863
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wrong path

1864
01:29:55,980 --> 01:29:53,530
he's only speculated I said well if

1865
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:55,990
that's true then that still confirms a

1866
01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:57,850
reality of the UFO phenomenon because

1867
01:30:01,560 --> 01:29:59,560
the Russians aren't stupid you're not

1868
01:30:03,690 --> 01:30:01,570
going to have disinformation against

1869
01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:03,700
them if they if they believe the UFO

1870
01:30:06,330 --> 01:30:05,830
subject is nonsense it's only gonna work

1871
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if they

1872
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no the UFO subject is valid and there's

1873
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something look for well we got to take

1874
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it here yeah I do and I totally agree

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with you

1876
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I totally agree this is fade to black

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our guest tonight Richard Dolan now when

1878
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we come back Richard doesn't know this

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but we're gonna discuss Tom DeLonge and

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I've got a special phone call coming in

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from the UK and Richard you're gonna

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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you are listening to fade to black with

1943
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Jimmy Church on the game change in

1944
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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

1945
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listening to Jimmy Church this is

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revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Music]

1949
01:34:31,599 --> 01:34:29,379
welcome back to fade to black our guest

1950
01:34:33,759 --> 01:34:31,609
tonight Richard bleep and Dolan you can

1951
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follow me on Twitter I feel a sneeze

1952
01:34:40,149 --> 01:34:37,939
coming on what do I do

1953
01:34:43,179 --> 01:34:40,159
okay I'm gonna continue follow the as

1954
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:43,189
twitter @jj church radio you follow

1955
01:34:49,839 --> 01:34:44,090
Richard Dolan

1956
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:49,849
and we're gonna talk about Tom DeLonge

1957
01:34:55,629 --> 01:34:52,729
right now and Richard know I want to

1958
01:34:59,679 --> 01:34:55,639
start why I want to start here I want

1959
01:35:03,299 --> 01:34:59,689
your opinion on this the last thing that

1960
01:35:08,830 --> 01:35:03,309
you want to do with the UFO community is

1961
01:35:14,469 --> 01:35:08,840
show them a picture of a helium balloon

1962
01:35:18,969 --> 01:35:14,479
and call it a UFO and and try to gain

1963
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,979
their trust and keep it that that of all

1964
01:35:23,049 --> 01:35:20,719
the things right you might as well it

1965
01:35:25,719 --> 01:35:23,059
might as well have been swamp gas it's

1966
01:35:29,049 --> 01:35:25,729
the wrong thing to do but it doesn't

1967
01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:29,059
that indeed is what happened now let's

1968
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:31,249
let's actually just focus on that

1969
01:35:36,279 --> 01:35:33,530
question for just a second let's do that

1970
01:35:39,369 --> 01:35:36,289
how do you regain the UFO community's

1971
01:35:41,409 --> 01:35:39,379
trust after this kind of mistake this is

1972
01:35:43,299 --> 01:35:41,419
real sloppiness there's no question

1973
01:35:44,919 --> 01:35:43,309
about it and and again it's just a real

1974
01:35:47,169 --> 01:35:44,929
quick recap for people if they don't

1975
01:35:48,580 --> 01:35:47,179
know what exactly you're getting I'm

1976
01:35:53,139 --> 01:35:48,590
sure most people are following but

1977
01:35:53,709 --> 01:35:53,149
nonetheless so when the Academy to the

1978
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:53,719
stars

1979
01:35:59,349 --> 01:35:56,449
was announced it was October 11th last

1980
01:36:01,599 --> 01:35:59,359
year one of the people who talked right

1981
01:36:04,419 --> 01:36:01,609
away for them was Christopher Mellon he

1982
01:36:06,849 --> 01:36:04,429
was a very decorated former

1983
01:36:12,729 --> 01:36:06,859
counterintelligence officer a member of

1984
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:12,739
to the Stars and he utilized an image of

1985
01:36:17,739 --> 01:36:15,169
what is definitely a mylar balloon from

1986
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:17,749
2005 claiming that this was a genuine

1987
01:36:25,929 --> 01:36:20,570
UFO encountered by the Navy from the

1988
01:36:28,689 --> 01:36:25,939
event from late 2004 it wasn't I will

1989
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:28,699
point out that in retrospect there were

1990
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:32,030
researchers that very month in October

1991
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:35,090
later that month who knew that this was

1992
01:36:41,170 --> 01:36:38,330
a photograph of the balloon

1993
01:36:45,220 --> 01:36:41,180
my saccade a thread by researcher

1994
01:36:46,780 --> 01:36:45,230
including Isaac akoi who talked

1995
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:46,790
explicitly about this being a probable

1996
01:36:51,610 --> 01:36:48,890
mylar balloon by the middle or late

1997
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:51,620
October of 2017 so it was known to

1998
01:36:56,830 --> 01:36:54,890
people a lot of us weren't talking about

1999
01:36:59,170 --> 01:36:56,840
it it's true and we didn't do reverse

2000
01:37:01,570 --> 01:36:59,180
image searches on it should have should

2001
01:37:02,980 --> 01:37:01,580
have been done but the way that this

2002
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:02,990
came about I think this was just

2003
01:37:10,630 --> 01:37:08,390
sloppiness on the part of folks involved

2004
01:37:14,770 --> 01:37:10,640
in this rollout because the balloon

2005
01:37:19,690 --> 01:37:14,780
photo came in connection to a 2015

2006
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:19,700
article on commander david flavors

2007
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:22,520
encounter from 2004 and the article was

2008
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:24,830
written by a friend of flavors it was a

2009
01:37:30,670 --> 01:37:28,030
fellow fighter pilot named Paco cheerio

2010
01:37:33,610 --> 01:37:30,680
and he wrote an article called there I

2011
01:37:35,860 --> 01:37:33,620
was the x-files edition on a website

2012
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:35,870
called fighter sweep comm and this is

2013
01:37:42,010 --> 01:37:38,330
not a UFO side this is like a military

2014
01:37:44,530 --> 01:37:42,020
aviation site so is this is a friend of

2015
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:44,540
flavors who wrote actually a pretty good

2016
01:37:50,650 --> 01:37:47,510
article about the encounter but if you

2017
01:37:53,530 --> 01:37:50,660
if you go through those from 2015 right

2018
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:53,540
and I went through this and it was very

2019
01:38:00,900 --> 01:37:57,520
obvious to me what Paco cheerio did he

2020
01:38:05,190 --> 01:38:00,910
sprinkled his article with photographs

2021
01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:05,200
like one included this mylar balloon

2022
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:08,180
taken by actual research of Stephen

2023
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:11,510
mayor of the UK in 20 2005 he included

2024
01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:14,890
another photograph of the famous Mexican

2025
01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:17,750
forward-looking infrared infrared radar

2026
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:20,990
from 2004 encounter a lot of people know

2027
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,760
the Mexican UFO sighting and so cheerio

2028
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:27,920
included that picture is well down the

2029
01:38:32,350 --> 01:38:29,930
article in other words these UFO

2030
01:38:36,220 --> 01:38:32,360
pictures are simply window dressing for

2031
01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:36,230
the article nothing more and that's not

2032
01:38:41,050 --> 01:38:37,880
illegitimate he should have been a

2033
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:41,060
little more clear but you know other

2034
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,560
people have done this sort of thing you

2035
01:38:47,170 --> 01:38:44,480
just kind of you dress up the article

2036
01:38:51,610 --> 01:38:47,180
right with pictures so that's where this

2037
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:51,620
came from how is it that the people with

2038
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:52,690
to the star

2039
01:39:01,420 --> 01:38:57,440
did not I mean honestly did not

2040
01:39:04,210 --> 01:39:01,430
investigate or check all you have to do

2041
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:04,220
is a reverse image search on Google the

2042
01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:07,760
capabilities existed for a decade just

2043
01:39:11,860 --> 01:39:09,460
about to do this I think since 2011

2044
01:39:13,420 --> 01:39:11,870
reverse image searches are there's a

2045
01:39:16,330 --> 01:39:13,430
thing you can do it's not hard to do

2046
01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:16,340
find out the origin it would have saved

2047
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:19,490
a lot of now from what I understand they

2048
01:39:26,980 --> 01:39:23,690
didn't have the videos that they now

2049
01:39:32,260 --> 01:39:26,990
have but they didn't have those videos

2050
01:39:35,050 --> 01:39:32,270
in in early October of 2017 to show so

2051
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:35,060
the tic-tac UFO video which a lot of

2052
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:38,050
people have seen and then the the gimble

2053
01:39:43,780 --> 01:39:41,570
infrared video as well they didn't have

2054
01:39:46,180 --> 01:39:43,790
access to those as my understanding and

2055
01:39:47,890 --> 01:39:46,190
so they went with this photograph it was

2056
01:39:50,740 --> 01:39:47,900
a big mistake and by the way the videos

2057
01:39:53,530 --> 01:39:50,750
themselves as I think you are aware and

2058
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:53,540
listeners should know these are not a

2059
01:39:57,940 --> 01:39:55,550
slam-dunk either of them there's a lot

2060
01:40:00,400 --> 01:39:57,950
of discussion and analyses of these

2061
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:00,410
videos they could be legit but they may

2062
01:40:06,250 --> 01:40:02,930
not be they may they may not be of

2063
01:40:08,350 --> 01:40:06,260
actual UFOs they could be there's one

2064
01:40:09,610 --> 01:40:08,360
argument made at the website meta bunk

2065
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:09,620
and I would encourage people to go check

2066
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:14,480
this out that the gimble UFO video is in

2067
01:40:22,540 --> 01:40:20,170
fact the the hot exhaust of a jet and

2068
01:40:24,610 --> 01:40:22,550
it's not a bad argument at all in fact

2069
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:24,620
there's a good YouTube video an analysis

2070
01:40:29,770 --> 01:40:28,340
called NYTimes UFO explained new york

2071
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,780
times UFO explaining go check it out on

2072
01:40:33,210 --> 01:40:31,280
youtube and it's like six seven minutes

2073
01:40:35,740 --> 01:40:33,220
I don't know that that's the answer

2074
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:35,750
there's there's a lot about these videos

2075
01:40:40,330 --> 01:40:38,810
that's still unclear like for example I

2076
01:40:45,190 --> 01:40:40,340
think you and I both have spoken to

2077
01:40:47,020 --> 01:40:45,200
people who who have talked about that

2078
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:47,030
the US Navy has been taking the gimbal

2079
01:40:52,330 --> 01:40:48,890
video very seriously and that's

2080
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:52,340
supposedly have a genuine UFO there are

2081
01:40:55,420 --> 01:40:53,930
reasons to take it seriously but there

2082
01:40:57,850 --> 01:40:55,430
are reasons to question it and at this

2083
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:57,860
point all of the evidence that to the

2084
01:41:03,370 --> 01:41:01,040
Stars have put out is none of this is a

2085
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,380
slam dunk to be honest other than I

2086
01:41:08,410 --> 01:41:05,600
think no one has been questioned

2087
01:41:11,710 --> 01:41:08,420
the testimony of david flavor or louise

2088
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:11,720
Elizondo so those two men I think are

2089
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:17,360
important new voices in in this field of

2090
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:20,210
ours and I think that you know I'm not I

2091
01:41:22,930 --> 01:41:21,440
don't know of anyone who's really

2092
01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:22,940
questioning the fact that David flavor

2093
01:41:28,780 --> 01:41:25,790
had this extraordinary encounter in

2094
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:28,790
November of 2004 but the videos

2095
01:41:32,890 --> 01:41:30,170
themselves that have been released and

2096
01:41:34,830 --> 01:41:32,900
this includes a tic-tac video which

2097
01:41:39,490 --> 01:41:34,840
actually has been released as early as

2098
01:41:42,220 --> 01:41:39,500
2007 ten years ago was released to a pub

2099
01:41:44,590 --> 01:41:42,230
top secret the website 80s in February

2100
01:41:47,980 --> 01:41:44,600
of that year and there's a long

2101
01:41:50,020 --> 01:41:47,990
discussion of that video as well so well

2102
01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:50,030
and so going back to my original

2103
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:51,950
question and thank you for that recap

2104
01:41:57,900 --> 01:41:53,810
and we're gonna come back and visit all

2105
01:42:02,800 --> 01:41:57,910
of this for the UFO community though

2106
01:42:07,390 --> 01:42:02,810
once you blow this trust in such an

2107
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:07,400
obvious fashion and representing an

2108
01:42:12,850 --> 01:42:10,490
image as a UFO and UFO technology and it

2109
01:42:15,010 --> 01:42:12,860
turns out to be a balloon how do you

2110
01:42:16,930 --> 01:42:15,020
gain that trust back from the UFO

2111
01:42:18,610 --> 01:42:16,940
community in that sorry you say you and

2112
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:18,620
I talked about this privately so I don't

2113
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:19,520
know how much of this you want to go

2114
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:22,070
into but I know that not every you're

2115
01:42:26,730 --> 01:42:24,770
upset about it you're indignant and I

2116
01:42:31,450 --> 01:42:26,740
get it because you defended that

2117
01:42:34,030 --> 01:42:31,460
photograph it's a huge mistake the

2118
01:42:37,210 --> 01:42:34,040
question is is it is it a fatal mistake

2119
01:42:39,700 --> 01:42:37,220
for them and I don't have the answer to

2120
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:39,710
that I do know that not everyone is

2121
01:42:46,210 --> 01:42:42,410
looking at this as the as an ultimate

2122
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:46,220
disaster it is a it's a stumble it's a

2123
01:42:50,710 --> 01:42:48,770
mistake it's sloppy absolutely should

2124
01:42:53,650 --> 01:42:50,720
never have happened

2125
01:42:56,260 --> 01:42:53,660
I really couldn't begin to to speak for

2126
01:42:58,450 --> 01:42:56,270
these people I'm not part of anything to

2127
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:58,460
do with with what they are what they are

2128
01:43:04,630 --> 01:43:01,520
doing so it I don't really know how to

2129
01:43:06,940 --> 01:43:04,640
speak for them I think in a way like I

2130
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:06,950
have mixed feelings about what you know

2131
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,290
my take of to the stars is I don't

2132
01:43:13,660 --> 01:43:10,880
really understand how this is an

2133
01:43:15,610 --> 01:43:13,670
operation that can work I mean as a

2134
01:43:17,380 --> 01:43:15,620
business model I actually don't

2135
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,390
understand how it's supposed to work

2136
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:19,440
you've got an entertainment

2137
01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:22,410
action run by Tom DeLonge okay and

2138
01:43:26,030 --> 01:43:24,120
you've got a science and research and

2139
01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:26,040
development section with some very

2140
01:43:30,430 --> 01:43:28,380
impressive people but the question is

2141
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:30,440
how are they really gonna get the money

2142
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:33,090
seriously to get the money to compete

2143
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:36,510
with I mean I assume they want to

2144
01:43:41,060 --> 01:43:39,030
reverse engineer to white world as it

2145
01:43:43,130 --> 01:43:41,070
were the black world technology that

2146
01:43:46,459 --> 01:43:43,140
takes more than millions of dollars that

2147
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:46,469
might take tens hundreds of millions

2148
01:43:51,260 --> 01:43:48,210
maybe billions of dollars for all I know

2149
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:51,270
and I just can't see that happening I'm

2150
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:51,810
sorry

2151
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:53,850
with what infrastructure you know you've

2152
01:43:59,420 --> 01:43:55,410
got a couple of very impressive people

2153
01:44:01,070 --> 01:43:59,430
sitting there yes but seriously you're

2154
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:01,080
gonna create a new skunkworks based on

2155
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:03,030
this I don't see that happening it

2156
01:44:10,900 --> 01:44:06,360
doesn't make sense to me as a model it

2157
01:44:13,220 --> 01:44:10,910
never did so there's that aspect of it

2158
01:44:17,959 --> 01:44:13,230
and I could probably leave it at that

2159
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:17,969
and just let you uh you know if I'm if

2160
01:44:25,010 --> 01:44:20,730
I'm going to step back and be taken

2161
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:25,020
aback and go what's going on the when

2162
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:29,400
you have a list of pretty extraordinary

2163
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:32,640
people with some CVS and vetted history

2164
01:44:39,380 --> 01:44:37,320
and I'm talking about Steve justice and

2165
01:44:43,340 --> 01:44:39,390
I'm talking about you know Chris melon

2166
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:43,350
miss mess Jim sent me that he'll put off

2167
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:46,410
and then then we have so you have that

2168
01:44:55,610 --> 01:44:50,010
and then you have Lewis Elizondo who is

2169
01:44:58,700 --> 01:44:55,620
running the UFO threat or secret project

2170
01:45:01,790 --> 01:44:58,710
for the Pentagon investigating UFOs and

2171
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:01,800
none of these bright brilliant people

2172
01:45:12,050 --> 01:45:06,890
none of them knew the difference between

2173
01:45:14,330 --> 01:45:12,060
something like this and you want our

2174
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,340
trusty ax and nobody knew how to

2175
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:17,520
right-click on the mouse look they're

2176
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:19,710
not they're not I don't think any of

2177
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:22,830
them maybe even Elizondo accepting him

2178
01:45:28,459 --> 01:45:25,710
are actual UFO researchers right now

2179
01:45:29,310 --> 01:45:28,469
right and that's why I said we have all

2180
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:29,320
of them

2181
01:45:36,330 --> 01:45:32,170
but then we have this guy Louis Elizondo

2182
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:36,340
who whose gig was to investigate the UFO

2183
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,250
threat and and he's got an image right

2184
01:45:45,260 --> 01:45:41,679
there and actually yeah he should have

2185
01:45:47,550 --> 01:45:45,270
known right if he's running that program

2186
01:45:49,319 --> 01:45:47,560
he would have had the data in front of

2187
01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:49,329
him he would've had the photographs he

2188
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:50,980
would have said I've never seen that

2189
01:45:56,370 --> 01:45:53,679
picture before why are you using that

2190
01:45:57,899 --> 01:45:56,380
like that actually yes I just don't need

2191
01:46:01,709 --> 01:45:57,909
to ask you that question I don't

2192
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:01,719
understand it I really don't now so

2193
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:05,110
let's push this back up to the October

2194
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:09,250
11th date now Chris Mellon gets up

2195
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:11,679
points over his shoulder with his thumb

2196
01:46:19,020 --> 01:46:15,520
and says what you are looking at right

2197
01:46:20,879 --> 01:46:19,030
is is technology that we are here to the

2198
01:46:25,709 --> 01:46:20,889
Stars Academy are trying to figure out

2199
01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:25,719
and and it's it's our job to figure out

2200
01:46:31,919 --> 01:46:28,420
this technology it is not and this is

2201
01:46:33,540 --> 01:46:31,929
what he says it is not any black project

2202
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:33,550
of the United States

2203
01:46:45,229 --> 01:46:41,230
it's nice and I just have to stop right

2204
01:46:47,399 --> 01:46:45,239
there and say this this is greep this is

2205
01:46:49,979 --> 01:46:47,409
misrepresentation you are asking people

2206
01:46:52,879 --> 01:46:49,989
now you are you are alluding to that

2207
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:52,889
this is an official Pentagon released

2208
01:46:58,290 --> 01:46:55,810
alluding to they didn't say it but you

2209
01:46:59,970 --> 01:46:58,300
are alluding to that this is an official

2210
01:47:03,870 --> 01:46:59,980
photograph that was taken of the

2211
01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:03,880
tick-tack UFO that and he says Chris

2212
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:06,460
Mellon and I'm quoting here and if you

2213
01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:08,440
want to prove all of this for yourself

2214
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:11,380
just go to this website you can see the

2215
01:47:14,819 --> 01:47:13,449
image there and read the information for

2216
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:14,829
yourself again

2217
01:47:19,620 --> 01:47:17,770
alluding to this is all official and

2218
01:47:23,339 --> 01:47:19,630
this is a photograph of the tick-tack

2219
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:23,349
UFO and that is that is really really

2220
01:47:29,069 --> 01:47:25,840
breaching trust when ultimately we know

2221
01:47:31,229 --> 01:47:29,079
that everything that he said was not

2222
01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:31,239
true but yet they're asking people to

2223
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:34,300
buy stock in t TSA based on that

2224
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,460
photograph that he was pointing at at a

2225
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,040
live press conference and I have issues

2226
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:41,440
with that big ones

2227
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:43,010
this was their big and

2228
01:47:47,770 --> 01:47:45,170
announcement Richard this was it this is

2229
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:47,780
what you know this was I agree with you

2230
01:47:54,459 --> 01:47:50,000
I think this was a as I said before it

2231
01:47:59,470 --> 01:47:54,469
was very sloppy whether it's going into

2232
01:48:02,919 --> 01:47:59,480
a lack of ethics I'm not prepared to go

2233
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:02,929
there yet because I don't know if they

2234
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:05,449
were knowledgeable like if they were or

2235
01:48:12,459 --> 01:48:10,010
just just lazy so there would be a

2236
01:48:14,770 --> 01:48:12,469
difference in my mind if this is just

2237
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:14,780
sloppiness laziness not bothering to

2238
01:48:19,209 --> 01:48:17,449
check the image you have to wonder why

2239
01:48:21,700 --> 01:48:19,219
Elizondo would not have seen this that

2240
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:21,710
would have presumably fallen under his

2241
01:48:28,839 --> 01:48:24,050
responsibility right right it's like his

2242
01:48:31,450 --> 01:48:28,849
purview I mean he will support but but

2243
01:48:34,419 --> 01:48:31,460
the other guys but even in his case it

2244
01:48:35,979 --> 01:48:34,429
could have just been I don't know he I

2245
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:35,989
would want to know his explanation I

2246
01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:39,170
suppose now on the line Richard I have

2247
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:42,230
the gentleman that took those pictures

2248
01:48:49,589 --> 01:48:46,250
back in 2005 mr. Steve Maris Steve

2249
01:48:56,979 --> 01:48:52,540
I see thank you you're waking up very

2250
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:56,989
early I believe yes about 20 to 5 in the

2251
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:02,239
morning it's and thank you for joining

2252
01:49:08,919 --> 01:49:07,010
the program Steve and you did indeed and

2253
01:49:11,529 --> 01:49:08,929
Steve just sent me all of the original

2254
01:49:15,339 --> 01:49:11,539
photographs too they just came in that

2255
01:49:17,259 --> 01:49:15,349
he took back in 2005 Steve you did take

2256
01:49:20,290 --> 01:49:17,269
the pictures he posted the original

2257
01:49:24,669 --> 01:49:20,300
article over on rents calm back in 2005

2258
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:24,679
and then debunked - your own pictures no

2259
01:49:28,259 --> 01:49:27,110
no actually no I didn't actually take

2260
01:49:31,149 --> 01:49:28,269
the photographs

2261
01:49:33,339 --> 01:49:31,159
what are those photographs were sent to

2262
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,349
me a witness at contacted me we got in a

2263
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:35,840
UFO encounter there was a series of six

2264
01:49:40,089 --> 01:49:37,730
photographs taken on a sunny day in

2265
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:40,099
Eccles which is about four miles outside

2266
01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:43,690
of Manchester City Centre in the UK and

2267
01:49:47,890 --> 01:49:46,369
he'd reported it he'd gone to work in

2268
01:49:49,630 --> 01:49:47,900
the early morning I believe it was

2269
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:49,640
around about run about

2270
01:49:53,710 --> 01:49:51,410
fifteen minutes past 8:00 in the morning

2271
01:49:55,330 --> 01:49:53,720
and he was outside his words with a

2272
01:49:58,210 --> 01:49:55,340
number of colleagues when he saw this in

2273
01:49:59,770 --> 01:49:58,220
the sky now he taught you how to come up

2274
01:50:01,960 --> 01:49:59,780
with him look really in the car because

2275
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:01,970
it was a keen photographer and luckily

2276
01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:03,890
it was also quite a good camera so he

2277
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:04,940
managed to take some very good

2278
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:08,000
photographs of this object as he twisted

2279
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:10,130
and turned and moved slowly across the

2280
01:50:16,300 --> 01:50:12,890
sky but he did also report a second one

2281
01:50:18,190 --> 01:50:16,310
in furthering the distance now at first

2282
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:18,200
you know we reported this when this

2283
01:50:23,860 --> 01:50:20,810
first came out I was in connection I

2284
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:23,870
would have been featured on the audience

2285
01:50:28,300 --> 01:50:26,510
radio show and it was in communication

2286
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:28,310
with him so share the details on his

2287
01:50:31,930 --> 01:50:30,050
website and I believe that was the only

2288
01:50:36,210 --> 01:50:31,940
time it was ever featured on the

2289
01:50:38,620 --> 01:50:36,220
Internet where I posted it and basically

2290
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:38,630
I'm not into it a lot of stood at the

2291
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:41,810
phones laughs it's just November of 2005

2292
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:45,710
now a roundabout roundabout the

2293
01:50:49,180 --> 01:50:47,090
beginning of the year thing was run

2294
01:50:51,670 --> 01:50:49,190
about January 4th it's something like

2295
01:50:53,890 --> 01:50:51,680
that we decide to run the test in

2296
01:50:55,300 --> 01:50:53,900
regarding one of these balloons and the

2297
01:50:56,740 --> 01:50:55,310
nearest one we could find to what will

2298
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:56,750
also be on the photograph was a number

2299
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:01,280
one novelty toy I believe silver and of

2300
01:51:06,130 --> 01:51:02,690
course we waited obviously the right

2301
01:51:07,870 --> 01:51:06,140
type of weather and trango and a match

2302
01:51:09,790 --> 01:51:07,880
on this and to be honest with you it was

2303
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:09,800
an absolute perfect match even out to

2304
01:51:14,890 --> 01:51:11,240
him one of the photographs you can see

2305
01:51:17,410 --> 01:51:14,900
the stream gets up to to it I assumed

2306
01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:17,420
that maybe the other photograph that he

2307
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:18,950
claimed with the other object in the

2308
01:51:24,220 --> 01:51:21,410
distance the second one that was might

2309
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:24,230
have been a number two or number eight

2310
01:51:30,700 --> 01:51:27,550
has been 18 or 21

2311
01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:30,710
now I remember reading the original

2312
01:51:36,730 --> 01:51:33,230
report and your response to it your

2313
01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:36,740
attic and I idea I thought man is stee

2314
01:51:41,980 --> 01:51:39,310
talking in the third person here right

2315
01:51:44,230 --> 01:51:41,990
and I was trying to figure that part out

2316
01:51:46,930 --> 01:51:44,240
but I knew that you did go out and a

2317
01:51:49,180 --> 01:51:46,940
month later and and debunk it and and

2318
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:49,190
and got the perfect match

2319
01:51:56,230 --> 01:51:52,160
but all of this again is going back to

2320
01:52:01,669 --> 01:51:56,240
2005 so Steve let me ask you this at any

2321
01:52:04,490 --> 01:52:01,679
point after this story started to break

2322
01:52:07,879 --> 01:52:04,500
in the middle of October about this

2323
01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:07,889
mylar balloon theory did anybody from to

2324
01:52:12,530 --> 01:52:10,679
the Stars reach out to you well I can't

2325
01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:12,540
let me tell how this one pretty much one

2326
01:52:16,459 --> 01:52:14,580
folded for me was that I've been

2327
01:52:18,020 --> 01:52:16,469
following obviously Tom's work and me

2328
01:52:20,990 --> 01:52:18,030
and the Academy to the stars

2329
01:52:23,839 --> 01:52:21,000
I'd also seen a couple of TV shows where

2330
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:23,849
Tom as far as I'm aware misidentified

2331
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:26,130
some video footage of a triangular

2332
01:52:31,609 --> 01:52:29,730
object so UFO yes I cleaned a little bit

2333
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:31,619
about that and I thought okay you know

2334
01:52:36,979 --> 01:52:33,960
anyone can make mistakes I understand

2335
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:36,989
that and I'm all for people trying to

2336
01:52:41,629 --> 01:52:39,360
make some effort you know in trying to

2337
01:52:44,510 --> 01:52:41,639
get answers but I believe it was an

2338
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:44,520
extremely far stretch to train raise the

2339
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:46,650
amount that would be required to pull

2340
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:48,570
off this and I believe what which had

2341
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:50,280
said earlier you know that it will cost

2342
01:52:53,930 --> 01:52:51,960
a tremendous amount of money and I just

2343
01:52:55,790 --> 01:52:53,940
don't think that would be I just do

2344
01:52:57,950 --> 01:52:55,800
think you'll be reachable to be honest

2345
01:53:00,200 --> 01:52:57,960
really bought you know hats off to her

2346
01:53:04,189 --> 01:53:00,210
and I said well let's let's see how he

2347
01:53:06,979 --> 01:53:04,199
goes and and then roundabout January of

2348
01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:06,989
this year I was surprised to see I don't

2349
01:53:11,359 --> 01:53:09,420
know that photograph I can see him you

2350
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:11,369
know any ahead as soon as I saw that

2351
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:13,170
photograph I knew exactly while that

2352
01:53:17,780 --> 01:53:15,449
feels you've got balls I identified it

2353
01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:17,790
straight away because I'm so used to

2354
01:53:23,810 --> 01:53:21,420
seeing it and the first thing I did is I

2355
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,820
started posting around letting people I

2356
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,199
was replying to everything that we've

2357
01:53:30,379 --> 01:53:27,599
been several postings over the internet

2358
01:53:32,030 --> 01:53:30,389
I on Twitter on Facebook and every other

2359
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:32,040
replies to nearly all of them as well as

2360
01:53:37,609 --> 01:53:34,170
many as I caught with the information

2361
01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:37,619
that what this actual photograph was and

2362
01:53:42,109 --> 01:53:40,260
and nobody nobody got back to me if

2363
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:42,119
eventually what I did do is I went to

2364
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,570
the press and the a well-known youth

2365
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:47,520
newspaper in the UK which is known as

2366
01:53:53,060 --> 01:53:50,690
the Express run a large feature on this

2367
01:53:55,820 --> 01:53:53,070
with all the information in details and

2368
01:53:59,540 --> 01:53:55,830
in fact that actual reporter contacted

2369
01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:59,550
the Academy to the stars and asked for a

2370
01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:01,560
response and he didn't reply to him he's

2371
01:54:05,330 --> 01:54:03,300
into been back in touch me and said he's

2372
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:05,340
he's tried on two occasions they've not

2373
01:54:09,379 --> 01:54:06,960
been back in touch with him so then

2374
01:54:10,609 --> 01:54:09,389
obviously not replying and I said well

2375
01:54:12,919 --> 01:54:10,619
that's very strange you know I don't

2376
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:12,929
know how on earth can somebody make that

2377
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:15,450
mistake now that I know about the when

2378
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:16,800
actually looked at that photograph that

2379
01:54:20,990 --> 01:54:19,110
was portal I realized that something

2380
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:21,000
that they'd light blasted it somebody

2381
01:54:25,790 --> 01:54:23,520
had adjusted it slightly to to make it a

2382
01:54:27,110 --> 01:54:25,800
little more brighter than the original

2383
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:27,120
photograph you actually compare it to

2384
01:54:30,230 --> 01:54:28,800
the original photograph you would have

2385
01:54:32,630 --> 01:54:30,240
to you know do some and slight

2386
01:54:34,430 --> 01:54:32,640
manipulation to it the reasons Rihanna I

2387
01:54:37,880 --> 01:54:34,440
don't know why wasn't necessary to make

2388
01:54:39,790 --> 01:54:37,890
the picture worse and that kind of got

2389
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:39,800
me a bit curious as to how does this

2390
01:54:45,590 --> 01:54:43,440
photograph in mainstream around the

2391
01:54:46,970 --> 01:54:45,600
world get out and nobody actually find

2392
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,980
out what it is then I got some

2393
01:54:50,570 --> 01:54:48,960
information coming back from from Saudi

2394
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:50,580
who told me that it's featured on one of

2395
01:54:53,810 --> 01:54:52,050
the news channels and George George

2396
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:53,820
Knapp had covered on covering it

2397
01:55:00,640 --> 01:54:57,450
I contacted George now I didn't get

2398
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:00,650
replied from him eventually contacted

2399
01:55:06,350 --> 01:55:03,930
Grant Cameron and Grant was looking into

2400
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,360
some details for me and I just kept

2401
01:55:10,190 --> 01:55:07,920
pushing the information out hoping now

2402
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:10,200
maybe one day someone's actually from

2403
01:55:13,580 --> 01:55:11,730
the source is maybe going to contact me

2404
01:55:14,810 --> 01:55:13,590
and say look you know I knew the guy

2405
01:55:16,490 --> 01:55:14,820
who's been involved in this particular

2406
01:55:19,700 --> 01:55:16,500
photo but it never happened I heard from

2407
01:55:21,170 --> 01:55:19,710
nobody from the Academy or nobody from

2408
01:55:22,580 --> 01:55:21,180
asking me any questions about so

2409
01:55:27,770 --> 01:55:22,590
whatsoever you're the actual first Jim

2410
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,780
explicitly and I again the thing is

2411
01:55:30,590 --> 01:55:29,280
Steve and thank you for all of your

2412
01:55:34,310 --> 01:55:30,600
excellent work on this and we're gonna

2413
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:34,320
keep you after the break so I'll put you

2414
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:35,520
on hold and we'll continue this

2415
01:55:39,470 --> 01:55:38,100
conversation but the other disturbing

2416
01:55:41,150 --> 01:55:39,480
thing to me when we look at these

2417
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:41,160
timelines October 11th

2418
01:55:46,370 --> 01:55:44,850
two months later December 16th you know

2419
01:55:50,060 --> 01:55:46,380
the day of disclosure when everything

2420
01:55:52,340 --> 01:55:50,070
hit the mass media what bothers me about

2421
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:52,350
that timeline if they didn't figure it

2422
01:55:58,100 --> 01:55:55,440
out by October 11th and and went with

2423
01:56:01,610 --> 01:55:58,110
the live press conference okay all right

2424
01:56:05,060 --> 01:56:01,620
a mistake but they had two months until

2425
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:05,070
December 16th to go and figure out and

2426
01:56:10,430 --> 01:56:06,810
stop using that photograph and they

2427
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:10,440
didn't and then combined with the two

2428
01:56:16,580 --> 01:56:12,840
videos the gimbal footage in the tic-tac

2429
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:16,590
footage that now mass media every

2430
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:19,530
television station every web everything

2431
01:56:24,430 --> 01:56:22,080
out there was using those two videos and

2432
01:56:27,230 --> 01:56:24,440
that Tic Tac Toe photograph and

2433
01:56:28,580 --> 01:56:27,240
continued to push the agenda Dave

2434
01:56:30,919 --> 01:56:28,590
flavour in

2435
01:56:33,500 --> 01:56:30,929
all of these live TV interviews never

2436
01:56:36,859 --> 01:56:33,510
came forward and said that picture is

2437
01:56:40,010 --> 01:56:36,869
not what I saw and I'm I'm bothered by

2438
01:56:41,780 --> 01:56:40,020
that I'm bothered that Luis Elizondo was

2439
01:56:43,700 --> 01:56:41,790
out there and if somebody had eluded

2440
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:43,710
them to at this point

2441
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:46,650
he never said that these that that

2442
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:49,440
photograph had nothing to do with the

2443
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:51,210
tic-tac footage and I'm looking at these

2444
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:53,520
split screens which I have numerous

2445
01:57:01,760 --> 01:56:57,360
pictures of of CNN and Fox and and RT

2446
01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:01,770
and BBC ABC NBC CBS pick your channel

2447
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:04,409
all are showing that tic-tac footage

2448
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:06,810
with these interviews with Dave flavor

2449
01:57:12,290 --> 01:57:09,810
and I have I take issue with that maybe

2450
01:57:14,780 --> 01:57:12,300
Dave didn't see it live during the

2451
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:14,790
interview but he certainly saw it the

2452
01:57:18,620 --> 01:57:16,800
next day or later on that night and

2453
01:57:21,050 --> 01:57:18,630
could have come out publicly and said

2454
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:21,060
that tic-tac picture that is out there

2455
01:57:25,820 --> 01:57:23,730
is not and it has nothing to do with me

2456
01:57:29,570 --> 01:57:25,830
I don't know if it's mylar balloon or

2457
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:29,580
not but it certainly wasn't what I saw

2458
01:57:34,910 --> 01:57:32,130
and this is a misrepresentation know

2459
01:57:38,570 --> 01:57:34,920
they they continued to run with it until

2460
01:57:43,580 --> 01:57:38,580
they got caught and I'm sorry I take

2461
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:43,590
issue with that Jimmy yeah by the way

2462
01:57:47,149 --> 01:57:45,360
I'm really glad to hear Steve Mehra here

2463
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:47,159
and I'm glad it's so nice that he got up

2464
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,960
early to to give that excellent

2465
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:51,360
exposition on the background of those

2466
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:58,050
photographs as plural of them I am I'm

2467
01:58:03,260 --> 01:58:00,719
thinking that the to the Stars Academy

2468
01:58:04,910 --> 01:58:03,270
and Tom DeLonge in particular they need

2469
01:58:07,970 --> 01:58:04,920
if they want to do some damage control

2470
01:58:11,660 --> 01:58:07,980
they better do it like now no and and

2471
01:58:15,530 --> 01:58:11,670
really start explaining the process that

2472
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:15,540
happened by which they used this this

2473
01:58:20,540 --> 01:58:18,330
balloon and and simply did not do due

2474
01:58:23,780 --> 01:58:20,550
diligence in investigating it as I said

2475
01:58:27,919 --> 01:58:23,790
before I believe that they latched onto

2476
01:58:29,359 --> 01:58:27,929
this photograph because this mylar

2477
01:58:31,970 --> 01:58:29,369
balloon photograph the Steve mera

2478
01:58:35,390 --> 01:58:31,980
had investigated from the website

2479
01:58:37,850 --> 01:58:35,400
fighters sweep calm and I think it just

2480
01:58:39,859 --> 01:58:37,860
came on and I just happened almost by an

2481
01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:39,869
accident that Paco cheerio a fighter

2482
01:58:45,020 --> 01:58:42,239
pilot wrote a bow

2483
01:58:46,609 --> 01:58:45,030
framers encounter using a bunch of stock

2484
01:58:49,129 --> 01:58:46,619
UFO photographs that he probably just

2485
01:58:50,959 --> 01:58:49,139
googled and this one was at the top of

2486
01:58:53,149 --> 01:58:50,969
it so again if you go to the article

2487
01:58:55,069 --> 01:58:53,159
there I was the x-files edition not

2488
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:55,079
fighters sweep you'll see this articles

2489
01:59:01,040 --> 01:58:57,690
from March 14th 2015

2490
01:59:02,959 --> 01:59:01,050
and the mylar balloon photo is right at

2491
01:59:06,830 --> 01:59:02,969
the top of that seems to me that this is

2492
01:59:10,370 --> 01:59:06,840
how this is how it got connected and I

2493
01:59:13,250 --> 01:59:10,380
just think it's pure sloppiness on the

2494
01:59:16,370 --> 01:59:13,260
part of the the team here not to

2495
01:59:21,410 --> 01:59:16,380
investigate the origin of the photograph

2496
01:59:23,299 --> 01:59:21,420
and why Louise Elizondo did not come out

2497
01:59:24,979 --> 01:59:23,309
and just state that photograph that's

2498
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:24,989
I've never seen that photograph before

2499
01:59:29,779 --> 01:59:27,599
because he couldn't have right right

2500
01:59:31,759 --> 01:59:29,789
couldn't have right right exactly let's

2501
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take a break right here Richard Steve

2502
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can you stay with us

2503
01:59:38,270 --> 01:59:36,030
absolutely ok Steve Myers with us live

2504
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from the UK of course Richard bleep and

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Dolan and what a great conversation

2506
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we're discussing the Tom the long mylar

2507
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balloon dropkick we'll be right back

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stay with us

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2599
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tonight Richard Dolan is our guest and

2600
02:04:27,660 --> 02:04:23,380
live from the UK Steve Mehra is with us

2601
02:04:31,530 --> 02:04:27,670
now we are discussing the Tom DeLonge a

2602
02:04:34,260 --> 02:04:31,540
mylar balloon fiasco I don't know which

2603
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:34,270
a better a better way to describe it I'm

2604
02:04:42,380 --> 02:04:38,110
watching Twitter and Steven Richard and

2605
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:42,390
it is completely on fire I want to

2606
02:04:48,090 --> 02:04:45,130
present this to you and I'd like both of

2607
02:04:51,390 --> 02:04:48,100
your responses what what I'm

2608
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:51,400
uncomfortable with here is when I

2609
02:04:58,220 --> 02:04:54,490
reached out I've had open dialogue as

2610
02:05:02,640 --> 02:04:58,230
everybody knows with with Tom DeLonge

2611
02:05:05,460 --> 02:05:02,650
Peter LaVonda is a dear friend who works

2612
02:05:08,340 --> 02:05:05,470
with Tom and has authored a book and is

2613
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:08,350
another one that's coming out George

2614
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:10,960
Knapp who has been interviewing all of

2615
02:05:18,630 --> 02:05:13,840
the players in the to the stars Academy

2616
02:05:21,330 --> 02:05:18,640
all great now but when I reached out I

2617
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:21,340
heard back immediately from nap I did

2618
02:05:25,890 --> 02:05:23,500
hear back immediately from Peter Levin

2619
02:05:27,660 --> 02:05:25,900
de but I want everybody to understand

2620
02:05:30,660 --> 02:05:27,670
that I have not heard back from Tom

2621
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:30,670
DeLonge silence is deafening and I don't

2622
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:32,770
dig that part of it Richard you said

2623
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:35,050
right before the break the one thing

2624
02:05:39,450 --> 02:05:37,360
that we need right now is to come

2625
02:05:42,210 --> 02:05:39,460
forward and just explain it's that

2626
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:42,220
really that simple but if I just want to

2627
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:44,650
jump in for a second Jimmy I feel like

2628
02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:48,370
the there's an opportunity here for for

2629
02:05:53,670 --> 02:05:50,350
Tom's group for the organization to

2630
02:05:57,420 --> 02:05:53,680
recover first of all we have to assume

2631
02:05:59,490 --> 02:05:57,430
like no one there intentionally was

2632
02:06:01,950 --> 02:05:59,500
trying to deceive the public they would

2633
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:01,960
know that this would be caught at some

2634
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:03,370
point there's a lot of researchers out

2635
02:06:09,110 --> 02:06:07,450
there and and there's you know the

2636
02:06:11,610 --> 02:06:09,120
source of the photograph Steve himself

2637
02:06:12,810 --> 02:06:11,620
obviously made true attention to it and

2638
02:06:14,490 --> 02:06:12,820
there were other researchers who were

2639
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:14,500
getting it it would have been impossible

2640
02:06:18,630 --> 02:06:16,570
and I have to think that they would have

2641
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:18,640
known so I don't believe that they were

2642
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:20,370
intentionally

2643
02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:22,050
to deceive the public with that

2644
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:24,150
photograph I find that a real stretch

2645
02:06:30,700 --> 02:06:26,400
and I think for it was a mistake and

2646
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:30,710
what they can do they can come clean

2647
02:06:39,710 --> 02:06:35,130
make a full disclosure and discussion of

2648
02:06:42,260 --> 02:06:39,720
that mistake and hopefully use this as

2649
02:06:46,670 --> 02:06:42,270
an opportunity to do a little bit of a

2650
02:06:49,460 --> 02:06:46,680
reinvent and come back and reorganize

2651
02:06:51,260 --> 02:06:49,470
themselves and and explain you know why

2652
02:06:53,110 --> 02:06:51,270
this will never happen again and and

2653
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,120
they may come back as a better

2654
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:55,920
organization as a result that's if they

2655
02:07:00,080 --> 02:06:56,730
do this right

2656
02:07:01,970 --> 02:07:00,090
yeah and now to be clear I have never

2657
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:01,980
said that anybody was trying to deceive

2658
02:07:07,970 --> 02:07:05,970
and that has never been my position and

2659
02:07:10,370 --> 02:07:07,980
you know that Richard but and thank you

2660
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:10,380
for making that point very clear this is

2661
02:07:18,650 --> 02:07:14,970
my issue our UFO community has been

2662
02:07:22,430 --> 02:07:18,660
wanting and begging for disclosure and

2663
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:22,440
what happened at December 16th was this

2664
02:07:28,750 --> 02:07:25,890
huge emotional outpouring from our

2665
02:07:32,060 --> 02:07:28,760
community that was saying just that

2666
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:32,070
finally we have got this door cracked

2667
02:07:38,180 --> 02:07:34,050
and now we can move forward and the

2668
02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:38,190
elation and the positive response to TTS

2669
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:41,190
a was extraordinary and I was part of

2670
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:44,010
that myself personally I I did a live

2671
02:07:52,190 --> 02:07:47,610
broadcast on Saturday because of that

2672
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:52,200
day and and to have that deflated a

2673
02:07:58,340 --> 02:07:55,110
balloon right no pun intended here that

2674
02:08:00,680 --> 02:07:58,350
the the community now feels wrong and

2675
02:08:04,130 --> 02:08:00,690
this is the other thing now let's get

2676
02:08:06,740 --> 02:08:04,140
back to this timetable on January 23rd

2677
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:06,750
was when the statement came out from TTS

2678
02:08:13,780 --> 02:08:09,690
a a boilerplate response that was

2679
02:08:17,150 --> 02:08:13,790
unspecific okay very very unspecific

2680
02:08:18,950 --> 02:08:17,160
again I was uncomfortable with that they

2681
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:18,960
had an opportunity to get out in front

2682
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:20,400
of this and explain themselves they

2683
02:08:26,630 --> 02:08:24,170
didn't the response is that I got back

2684
02:08:28,940 --> 02:08:26,640
from them was well we knew about this

2685
02:08:30,590 --> 02:08:28,950
for a long time you know and wait a

2686
02:08:31,610 --> 02:08:30,600
minute what do you mean you knew about

2687
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:31,620
it for a long time

2688
02:08:38,330 --> 02:08:33,840
the statement came on January 20

2689
02:08:41,470 --> 02:08:38,340
third when I wrote everybody at TTS a it

2690
02:08:45,860 --> 02:08:41,480
was a week after the January 20 a week

2691
02:08:49,610 --> 02:08:45,870
after nine days afterwards so this was

2692
02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:49,620
all fresh news and this weekend and I

2693
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:52,050
want everybody to be very clear here

2694
02:08:56,750 --> 02:08:54,570
both Richard you and Steve and the

2695
02:08:58,880 --> 02:08:56,760
audience I just came from one of the

2696
02:09:01,190 --> 02:08:58,890
biggest conferences in in the country

2697
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:01,200
right conscious life Expo 15,000

2698
02:09:07,310 --> 02:09:04,320
attendees I had researchers coming up to

2699
02:09:13,070 --> 02:09:07,320
me at that conference saying I just

2700
02:09:15,140 --> 02:09:13,080
heard about this balloon now 240 TSA to

2701
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:15,150
suggest that we did our release and

2702
02:09:19,220 --> 02:09:16,770
everybody knew about it in the community

2703
02:09:21,860 --> 02:09:19,230
knew about it we're moving on there are

2704
02:09:24,050 --> 02:09:21,870
people bright brilliant people inside of

2705
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:24,060
this community that knew nothing about

2706
02:09:30,980 --> 02:09:27,450
it knew nothing and they are feeling the

2707
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:30,990
same way I am right now this is this is

2708
02:09:35,930 --> 02:09:33,300
not a big nothing thing that we could

2709
02:09:36,890 --> 02:09:35,940
just move forward we need to have an

2710
02:09:40,670 --> 02:09:36,900
explanation

2711
02:09:43,940 --> 02:09:40,680
we just had disclosure now we don't it's

2712
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:43,950
like BAM you know and for the mass media

2713
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:45,930
to go and run with this and not get

2714
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:50,010
corrected on December 16th when and who

2715
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:52,650
knew about it and why did you if you did

2716
02:09:57,260 --> 02:09:55,050
know about it before December 16th why

2717
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:57,270
did you allow all of mass media to run

2718
02:10:02,330 --> 02:09:59,760
with that photograph and I want

2719
02:10:06,250 --> 02:10:02,340
explanations you know and so does the

2720
02:10:12,110 --> 02:10:08,660
okay you waiting for one of us is

2721
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:12,120
jumping yeah absolutely absolutely Steve

2722
02:10:16,580 --> 02:10:14,610
what well I can say guys is that since

2723
02:10:22,580 --> 02:10:16,590
the postings I made and there must have

2724
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:22,590
made at least 30 postings to reaction to

2725
02:10:28,160 --> 02:10:24,690
reactions to articles that appeared over

2726
02:10:32,720 --> 02:10:28,170
Facebook about this bloom which appeared

2727
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:32,730
in newspapers and every single day I've

2728
02:10:37,940 --> 02:10:35,730
been having him emails people contact me

2729
02:10:40,190 --> 02:10:37,950
on Twitter and Facebook saying Steve

2730
02:10:42,130 --> 02:10:40,200
have you heard anything yet is anybody

2731
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:42,140
could been in contact with it and

2732
02:10:47,540 --> 02:10:44,400
there's been the same response I've said

2733
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:47,550
no I've been waiting and waiting

2734
02:10:52,220 --> 02:10:49,530
and people saying that how you know how

2735
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:52,230
can this happen you know the how did it

2736
02:10:56,330 --> 02:10:55,440
I don't know I have no I don't know how

2737
02:10:58,490 --> 02:10:56,340
this has happened

2738
02:11:00,170 --> 02:10:58,500
I said bought walk and tell you is that

2739
02:11:01,940 --> 02:11:00,180
it's not been sourced from itself

2740
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:01,950
directly nobody's been in touch with me

2741
02:11:06,410 --> 02:11:04,650
and the only place the only place I

2742
02:11:09,710 --> 02:11:06,420
posted it originally was the Jevens

2743
02:11:11,570 --> 02:11:09,720
radio show so if that sir went on to

2744
02:11:13,190 --> 02:11:11,580
Google somebody else used it though and

2745
02:11:14,780 --> 02:11:13,200
Northey Wells some slight difference

2746
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:14,790
because I know I do know with digital

2747
02:11:21,590 --> 02:11:19,170
photography and that and even the the

2748
02:11:26,690 --> 02:11:21,600
actual high-res photos a customer sent

2749
02:11:28,910 --> 02:11:26,700
such a prints the image on them are not

2750
02:11:32,330 --> 02:11:28,920
they have actually are a bit low on the

2751
02:11:33,860 --> 02:11:32,340
chat ransom website but there was some

2752
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:33,870
slight manipulations of hers but it was

2753
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:35,970
it was brightened it was it was

2754
02:11:41,210 --> 02:11:38,880
highlighted in some way and I don't know

2755
02:11:43,670 --> 02:11:41,220
why that happened but maybe it was just

2756
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:43,680
different processes of use by different

2757
02:11:48,020 --> 02:11:46,170
people I'm not too sure well every

2758
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:48,030
single every single day people asked him

2759
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,960
the same question

2760
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:50,400
I am I said I haven't heard anything

2761
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:52,950
they said well you know get to the press

2762
02:11:57,110 --> 02:11:54,930
I went to the press with it's still not

2763
02:11:59,030 --> 02:11:57,120
anything come back nobody's asked me any

2764
02:12:01,880 --> 02:11:59,040
questions about the the photograph and

2765
02:12:03,620 --> 02:12:01,890
it was being pushed now that I'm on a

2766
02:12:09,770 --> 02:12:03,630
lot of occasions people saying I was

2767
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:09,780
take I took the photographs myself can I

2768
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:11,370
jump in Steve I want to make a point

2769
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:13,410
here and I want to ask Richard this

2770
02:12:19,850 --> 02:12:17,490
question Steve this question doesn't you

2771
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:19,860
would know the answer to this the answer

2772
02:12:27,290 --> 02:12:22,650
from you would be no but for me and my

2773
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:27,300
eyes when I first saw the tick-tack UFO

2774
02:12:33,950 --> 02:12:29,970
footage with them describing the f-18

2775
02:12:35,060 --> 02:12:33,960
fighter jets and this object was above

2776
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:35,070
the water

2777
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:43,410
me to be taken from above and the blue

2778
02:12:50,900 --> 02:12:47,030
that is there the vibrant blue was water

2779
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:50,910
that's the way that I took the picture

2780
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:53,850
it was taken from above with water as

2781
02:12:59,110 --> 02:12:56,400
the background Richard did you ever feel

2782
02:13:01,040 --> 02:12:59,120
that that's what you were looking at I

2783
02:13:03,290 --> 02:13:01,050
don't know

2784
02:13:05,359 --> 02:13:03,300
you know you look at the tic-tac video

2785
02:13:07,310 --> 02:13:05,369
and I'm wondering what what the heck is

2786
02:13:10,370 --> 02:13:07,320
that background is that clouds or is

2787
02:13:13,879 --> 02:13:10,380
that water right some of it looks like

2788
02:13:20,299 --> 02:13:13,889
clouds to me okay I I thought I thought

2789
02:13:24,530 --> 02:13:20,309
it was water is worth mentioning I am

2790
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:24,540
not aware of the exact provenance of

2791
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:27,360
that tic-tac video as I said earlier the

2792
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:31,530
that video was first released a decade

2793
02:13:39,770 --> 02:13:35,730
ago now it was in connection to a u.s.

2794
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:39,780
Navy encounter right so but the fact is

2795
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:43,199
that this video I I personally do not

2796
02:13:50,530 --> 02:13:46,770
know how this video was ever released

2797
02:13:54,530 --> 02:13:50,540
and it has been of disputed authenticity

2798
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:54,540
you know go go back to the 80s thread

2799
02:14:02,149 --> 02:13:58,320
goes back to February 4 2007 and you can

2800
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:02,159
read through it so this is actually not

2801
02:14:06,649 --> 02:14:04,530
I mean this is in the sense old news

2802
02:14:10,339 --> 02:14:06,659
this video and where it's from it could

2803
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:10,349
be it could be authentic but I don't

2804
02:14:15,530 --> 02:14:14,010
know that as authentic and so actually

2805
02:14:17,810 --> 02:14:15,540
when you really think about in the same

2806
02:14:20,510 --> 02:14:17,820
class of the gimbal video there are

2807
02:14:24,020 --> 02:14:20,520
legitimate questions about both of these

2808
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:24,030
videos and that's not to dispute David

2809
02:14:29,810 --> 02:14:27,599
flavours encounter not at all not at all

2810
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:29,820
not at all and okay now there's another

2811
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:33,690
point here that the audience this may be

2812
02:14:40,479 --> 02:14:37,290
new to them and it probably is unless

2813
02:14:45,379 --> 02:14:40,489
you're into heavy heavy heavy research

2814
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:45,389
but the mass media release with

2815
02:14:49,790 --> 02:14:47,610
everything on December 16th exciting

2816
02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:49,800
great fantastic but another thing that

2817
02:14:54,530 --> 02:14:51,599
they alluded to

2818
02:14:57,439 --> 02:14:54,540
so did Lewis and and Dave flavor never

2819
02:15:00,770 --> 02:14:57,449
cleared this up when it ran through the

2820
02:15:04,040 --> 02:15:00,780
news for that two or three weeks that

2821
02:15:07,490 --> 02:15:04,050
both of those videos were shot with the

2822
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:07,500
Nimitz group off the coast of San Diego

2823
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:11,599
of this tick-tack UFO as it turns out

2824
02:15:17,090 --> 02:15:14,880
they were not they were not shot off

2825
02:15:21,399 --> 02:15:17,100
coast of San Diego the gimbal footage

2826
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:21,409
comes from Florida and it's East Coast

2827
02:15:28,310 --> 02:15:25,370
something and and I feel a little

2828
02:15:31,640 --> 02:15:28,320
misrepresentation and from early 2015

2829
02:15:36,500 --> 02:15:31,650
early 2015 and the other video has been

2830
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:36,510
out since 2004 originally surfaced on

2831
02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:42,719
the web in 2007 so again I feel a little

2832
02:15:49,250 --> 02:15:44,730
lizard are you saying the tic-tac video

2833
02:15:52,910 --> 02:15:49,260
is not from the Nimitz I again again I

2834
02:15:54,770 --> 02:15:52,920
can tell you this that those videos were

2835
02:15:57,590 --> 02:15:54,780
not shot at the same place at the same

2836
02:16:02,149 --> 02:15:57,600
time off of the substantive one was East

2837
02:16:04,189 --> 02:16:02,159
Coast one was West Coast clearly through

2838
02:16:06,770 --> 02:16:04,199
all of the presentations that have been

2839
02:16:08,689 --> 02:16:06,780
out there that they alluded to that

2840
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:08,699
these were the same event with Dave

2841
02:16:14,030 --> 02:16:11,850
flavor and it was never made clear I

2842
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:14,040
never heard anything from any news

2843
02:16:21,649 --> 02:16:19,280
outlet that one was mid-2000s one was a

2844
02:16:24,830 --> 02:16:21,659
recent footage off of the coast of San

2845
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:24,840
Diego and one was Dave favor one was not

2846
02:16:31,070 --> 02:16:26,159
nobody ever said that

2847
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:31,080
and I mean Jimmy media is as sloppy as

2848
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:33,210
anything else I know I know and so I

2849
02:16:37,580 --> 02:16:35,370
think that's just they're not careful

2850
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:37,590
they don't check back I've done lots of

2851
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:39,689
interviews with mainstream US media and

2852
02:16:44,690 --> 02:16:41,490
I mean I can tell you they don't know

2853
02:16:46,429 --> 02:16:44,700
anything about this subject nothing

2854
02:16:50,799 --> 02:16:46,439
about this isn't it to the starves

2855
02:16:53,089 --> 02:16:50,809
Academy's job to clear this up and to

2856
02:16:54,410 --> 02:16:53,099
definitely is I mean it's absolutely

2857
02:16:56,900 --> 02:16:54,420
tragic that this mistake has happened

2858
02:16:59,360 --> 02:16:56,910
own stoner but the first thing you do is

2859
02:17:01,370 --> 02:16:59,370
the day you realize that this is a

2860
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:01,380
naturally a balloon and not exactly what

2861
02:17:05,780 --> 02:17:03,599
it was said the immediately jump on it

2862
02:17:07,700 --> 02:17:05,790
you want to response our 24 hours later

2863
02:17:09,290 --> 02:17:07,710
as quick as you possibly can

2864
02:17:11,179 --> 02:17:09,300
because you want to clear that damage

2865
02:17:13,250 --> 02:17:11,189
and then the damage grows each and every

2866
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:13,260
day more and more people hear about it

2867
02:17:16,910 --> 02:17:15,599
more properly for serious see this 13

2868
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:16,920
comes to their mind is if they miss

2869
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:18,510
identity fact these folks have got

2870
02:17:22,580 --> 02:17:20,250
straight away and this mistake has

2871
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:22,590
happened then you know what further

2872
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:24,090
mistakes might take place that's that's

2873
02:17:27,259 --> 02:17:25,290
the very first thing I was going to go

2874
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:27,269
through people's lines I get questioned

2875
02:17:30,759 --> 02:17:28,130
about it

2876
02:17:33,190 --> 02:17:30,769
aboutabout have I heard anything any

2877
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:33,200
response from them and as far as I'm

2878
02:17:36,610 --> 02:17:34,880
aware that hasn't been I'm not too sure

2879
02:17:39,940 --> 02:17:36,620
the day that they would have realized

2880
02:17:41,919 --> 02:17:39,950
that this actually was a blade or if it

2881
02:17:44,740 --> 02:17:41,929
is more than a book that is ridiculous

2882
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:44,750
yeah it's Steve let me ask you this as a

2883
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:48,050
researcher from the UK and the coverage

2884
02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:50,210
that was out there with the BBC and

2885
02:17:54,490 --> 02:17:51,710
others who you know you're watching the

2886
02:17:57,129 --> 02:17:54,500
coverage did you ever hear from any of

2887
02:18:00,610 --> 02:17:57,139
the mass media outlets that these were

2888
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:00,620
two separate videos shot a decade a part

2889
02:18:05,860 --> 02:18:03,889
of East Coast West Coast no not at all

2890
02:18:08,530 --> 02:18:05,870
I mean all the press releases even do

2891
02:18:10,419 --> 02:18:08,540
throughout the UK did not did not give

2892
02:18:11,919 --> 02:18:10,429
any mention to that whatsoever I can

2893
02:18:13,419 --> 02:18:11,929
understand you know press do pick up

2894
02:18:15,759 --> 02:18:13,429
information from other press and they

2895
02:18:17,049 --> 02:18:15,769
run with it and this is how stories get

2896
02:18:18,490 --> 02:18:17,059
carried on you know and it's not the

2897
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:18,500
first time that because a lot of things

2898
02:18:24,219 --> 02:18:21,760
have happened yeah I totally agree

2899
02:18:27,450 --> 02:18:24,229
that's that's the way that it goes and

2900
02:18:29,770 --> 02:18:27,460
there was a lot of duplication

2901
02:18:31,270 --> 02:18:29,780
throughout the news media picking up

2902
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:31,280
from the original source from the New

2903
02:18:36,690 --> 02:18:33,920
York Times and and then and continuing

2904
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:36,700
it through with that but they also did

2905
02:18:41,950 --> 02:18:39,679
each one of the mainstream outlets all

2906
02:18:44,799 --> 02:18:41,960
did their own individual interviews with

2907
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:44,809
Elizondo and Dave flavour and nobody

2908
02:18:49,179 --> 02:18:46,639
ever said that those were two videos

2909
02:18:51,429 --> 02:18:49,189
shots decade apart is that fair that's

2910
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:51,439
exactly what we did is well Jimmy is

2911
02:18:58,660 --> 02:18:55,610
that I had it placed into how a magazine

2912
02:19:00,280 --> 02:18:58,670
phenomena magazine which goes out to 1.8

2913
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:00,290
million people around the world it goes

2914
02:19:05,740 --> 02:19:03,200
out to 12 countries it goes out to into

2915
02:19:07,900 --> 02:19:05,750
the press it goes out to researchers bit

2916
02:19:09,940 --> 02:19:07,910
rhesus you everybody really the big

2917
02:19:11,620 --> 02:19:09,950
researchers in ufology pretty much you

2918
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:11,630
know receive the magazine it gets mailed

2919
02:19:16,690 --> 02:19:14,719
to them and there's been two articles

2920
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:16,700
appearing that in the magazine over the

2921
02:19:22,709 --> 02:19:19,280
two-month period of January December

2922
02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:22,719
regarding that this is the Balu and

2923
02:19:26,740 --> 02:19:24,530
photograph sorry I mean and the

2924
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:26,750
information in there still nobody came

2925
02:19:36,490 --> 02:19:32,090
back to us it's a comedy of what appears

2926
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:36,500
to be a comedy of errors and also a huge

2927
02:19:41,620 --> 02:19:40,370
chunk of laziness not attempting to

2928
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:41,630
correct the narrative

2929
02:19:48,809 --> 02:19:45,609
or the story and again I don't know why

2930
02:19:50,920 --> 02:19:48,819
mmm yeah it's very damaging

2931
02:19:53,290 --> 02:19:50,930
unfortunately and they do need to make a

2932
02:19:57,849 --> 02:19:53,300
lot me sponsors quickly as quickly as

2933
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:57,859
possible now again I think the one thing

2934
02:20:02,830 --> 02:20:00,319
that I need both of your comments on

2935
02:20:05,679 --> 02:20:02,840
certainly with Steve with what you do

2936
02:20:09,340 --> 02:20:05,689
within the UK and Richard you're no

2937
02:20:12,130 --> 02:20:09,350
stranger to something like this spinning

2938
02:20:14,889 --> 02:20:12,140
out of control and how our community

2939
02:20:20,620 --> 02:20:14,899
will police itself and up right this

2940
02:20:22,719 --> 02:20:20,630
ship really quick is there is there a

2941
02:20:25,420 --> 02:20:22,729
way for this community to regain their

2942
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:25,430
confidence not well I'm not talking

2943
02:20:32,889 --> 02:20:29,090
about TTS a I'm talking about in in an

2944
02:20:36,189 --> 02:20:32,899
our journey and moving forward and

2945
02:20:39,130 --> 02:20:36,199
trying to you know keep keep things

2946
02:20:41,710 --> 02:20:39,140
honest and and also a positive attitude

2947
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:41,720
within our community is there is there a

2948
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:46,130
way to right this ship well I'll just

2949
02:20:50,679 --> 02:20:48,890
have a hand at that first yes there's

2950
02:20:53,500 --> 02:20:50,689
always a way to right the ship I mean

2951
02:20:57,729 --> 02:20:53,510
one of the things that you notice in a

2952
02:20:59,080 --> 02:20:57,739
long history of UFO activism which is

2953
02:21:00,910 --> 02:20:59,090
really what this is part of you know

2954
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:00,920
long before there was the word

2955
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:03,290
disclosure they were always activists

2956
02:21:09,099 --> 02:21:05,840
who were attempting to end UFO secrecy

2957
02:21:11,820 --> 02:21:09,109
goes back to the 1950s by the way they

2958
02:21:13,689 --> 02:21:11,830
were the long history of big hopes for

2959
02:21:15,399 --> 02:21:13,699
ending that secrecy and big

2960
02:21:19,240 --> 02:21:15,409
disappointment it has happened every

2961
02:21:21,719 --> 02:21:19,250
single decade and in addition to that

2962
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:21,729
there have been other events that have

2963
02:21:26,859 --> 02:21:25,040
you know really gone gone sideways for

2964
02:21:30,490 --> 02:21:26,869
the UFO field and there's always

2965
02:21:33,399 --> 02:21:30,500
embarrassment there's always things that

2966
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:33,409
to disappoint people and you especially

2967
02:21:38,019 --> 02:21:35,840
today in the era of social media where

2968
02:21:40,090 --> 02:21:38,029
people love to get histrionic every

2969
02:21:41,740 --> 02:21:40,100
single day over things everything is a

2970
02:21:44,380 --> 02:21:41,750
catastrophe everything is the end of

2971
02:21:46,570 --> 02:21:44,390
ufology everything is you know will

2972
02:21:49,090 --> 02:21:46,580
never recover from this and of course of

2973
02:21:50,830 --> 02:21:49,100
course we recover the reason that we

2974
02:21:53,170 --> 02:21:50,840
recover is because there's a genuine

2975
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:53,180
phenomenon that's actually there and

2976
02:21:57,921 --> 02:21:55,200
someone has got to and

2977
02:21:59,360 --> 02:21:57,931
and as long as it's there there will be

2978
02:22:03,320 --> 02:21:59,370
people who are going to analyze it so

2979
02:22:06,320 --> 02:22:03,330
that's not going away and what we really

2980
02:22:09,710 --> 02:22:06,330
need this is there's nothing new here of

2981
02:22:13,250 --> 02:22:09,720
what I would have to say activists have

2982
02:22:16,730 --> 02:22:13,260
to be careful they have to do due

2983
02:22:19,040 --> 02:22:16,740
diligence and they need to remember that

2984
02:22:22,761 --> 02:22:19,050
there's an entire world looking at them

2985
02:22:25,131 --> 02:22:22,771
and go on the assumption that if you

2986
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:25,141
make a screw-up that's going to stay

2987
02:22:30,980 --> 02:22:28,050
with you for a long time and so it's

2988
02:22:33,530 --> 02:22:30,990
really really essential to walk as

2989
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:33,540
upright and as carefully as you can and

2990
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:36,450
there's no there's no sure way to do it

2991
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:39,210
because people do make mistakes I think

2992
02:22:43,790 --> 02:22:41,040
what happened was to the stars in this

2993
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:43,800
case is that they you know you've got a

2994
02:22:48,051 --> 02:22:46,650
team of guys that they're they're very

2995
02:22:49,310 --> 02:22:48,061
well-qualified in their field but I

2996
02:22:50,990 --> 02:22:49,320
don't think any of them are internet

2997
02:22:52,460 --> 02:22:51,000
researchers to be honest with you I

2998
02:22:56,060 --> 02:22:52,470
don't I don't think that they were that

2999
02:22:57,680 --> 02:22:56,070
skilled and in this case they in a very

3000
02:22:59,570 --> 02:22:57,690
sloppy way let this get out of control

3001
02:23:01,970 --> 02:22:59,580
what they need to do Steve was

3002
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:01,980
absolutely right they need and

3003
02:23:05,841 --> 02:23:03,690
particularly Tom DeLonge I've got to get

3004
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:05,851
out in front of this and they need to

3005
02:23:10,610 --> 02:23:08,490
explain the process by which they use

3006
02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:10,620
that photograph and the process by which

3007
02:23:15,410 --> 02:23:13,410
they retained it even after they learned

3008
02:23:18,381 --> 02:23:15,420
that it was not a legitimate image and

3009
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:18,391
how it was that someone got the idea to

3010
02:23:22,910 --> 02:23:20,490
say that this was a legitimate US Navy

3011
02:23:24,290 --> 02:23:22,920
photograph like whose idea was that all

3012
02:23:27,560 --> 02:23:24,300
of these things really need to come out

3013
02:23:29,390 --> 02:23:27,570
there you're them to regain the trust

3014
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,400
the only way to regain trust of the

3015
02:23:35,060 --> 02:23:31,200
public when you've done something really

3016
02:23:37,881 --> 02:23:35,070
egregious is you have to fully confess

3017
02:23:41,810 --> 02:23:37,891
and open yourself up and be vulnerable

3018
02:23:44,631 --> 02:23:41,820
to the world and expose what you did

3019
02:23:46,700 --> 02:23:44,641
wrong that is the only way and it's hard

3020
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:46,710
to do it's hard to do but you have to do

3021
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:49,290
it but you're right we we went through a

3022
02:23:56,180 --> 02:23:52,080
Gulf Breeze right we went through bill

3023
02:23:58,551 --> 02:23:56,190
more recently the Roswell mommy

3024
02:24:00,620 --> 02:23:58,561
you know we there are so many different

3025
02:24:02,570 --> 02:24:00,630
things where it just seemed like it was

3026
02:24:04,070 --> 02:24:02,580
the end you know how do how do we get

3027
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:04,080
back from this but you know what we

3028
02:24:08,460 --> 02:24:07,290
always came back from it Steve let me

3029
02:24:14,279 --> 02:24:08,470
ask you this

3030
02:24:16,849 --> 02:24:14,289
there is probably no more critical UFO

3031
02:24:20,429 --> 02:24:16,859
community than what goes on in the UK

3032
02:24:25,109 --> 02:24:20,439
Yugi you guys her tough bunch over there

3033
02:24:27,449 --> 02:24:25,119
I love to hear him laugh cuz he can pose

3034
02:24:31,550 --> 02:24:27,459
you guys are tough you guys are tough on

3035
02:24:34,019 --> 02:24:31,560
your own and how do you how do you think

3036
02:24:36,899 --> 02:24:34,029
things are gonna move forward in the UK

3037
02:24:40,439 --> 02:24:36,909
and the UFO community and well we all

3038
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:40,449
try our best and we hold our own annual

3039
02:24:44,519 --> 02:24:42,310
event which has two and a half thousand

3040
02:24:46,649 --> 02:24:44,529
people last year we expect to have three

3041
02:24:49,260 --> 02:24:46,659
and a half thousand this year it's your

3042
02:24:51,960 --> 02:24:49,270
largest convention on the subjects of

3043
02:24:54,779 --> 02:24:51,970
UFOs now which we're very pleased about

3044
02:24:56,790 --> 02:24:54,789
the amount of their effort people have

3045
02:24:59,729 --> 02:24:56,800
been pulling this together because we do

3046
02:25:01,050 --> 02:24:59,739
I'm still one obviously to have people

3047
02:25:02,699 --> 02:25:01,060
to work together there is a true

3048
02:25:04,979 --> 02:25:02,709
predominance do you actually taking

3049
02:25:06,989 --> 02:25:04,989
place out there and but like I said

3050
02:25:08,790 --> 02:25:06,999
usually with the route is more profound

3051
02:25:12,359 --> 02:25:08,800
is the people within the subject rather

3052
02:25:14,429 --> 02:25:12,369
than the phenomena will say does happen

3053
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:14,439
in the UK you know there is people which

3054
02:25:18,899 --> 02:25:16,770
it's a small place you know it's

3055
02:25:21,269 --> 02:25:18,909
everybody's fighting to gain some

3056
02:25:23,969 --> 02:25:21,279
notoriety in the UK would seem but sir

3057
02:25:26,609 --> 02:25:23,979
we do need to work together and we hope

3058
02:25:28,739 --> 02:25:26,619
to to keep that keep it going keep the

3059
02:25:31,559 --> 02:25:28,749
interest going there general public and

3060
02:25:33,569 --> 02:25:31,569
love the soldier over here then we have

3061
02:25:35,939 --> 02:25:33,579
a lot of incidents that do get reported

3062
02:25:38,130 --> 02:25:35,949
and they do get reported well because

3063
02:25:41,250 --> 02:25:38,140
like I say it's a small country you get

3064
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:41,260
to hear things very quickly and I really

3065
02:25:48,179 --> 02:25:45,130
I do want to extend my thanks to our UK

3066
02:25:51,210 --> 02:25:48,189
audience which is just so supportive of

3067
02:25:53,219 --> 02:25:51,220
a fade to black and K GRA and Richard

3068
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:53,229
Dolan and myself and our community over

3069
02:25:58,199 --> 02:25:56,050
here you guys are just absolutely

3070
02:25:59,760 --> 02:25:58,209
amazing and thank you for everything

3071
02:26:01,529 --> 02:25:59,770
that you're doing over there Steve you

3072
02:26:03,660 --> 02:26:01,539
guys are the best thank you

3073
02:26:06,809 --> 02:26:03,670
Thank You Jimmy we enjoy every minute of

3074
02:26:09,479 --> 02:26:06,819
it thank you so much Jimmy I just want

3075
02:26:12,330 --> 02:26:09,489
to add that this this is not a

3076
02:26:14,819 --> 02:26:12,340
catastrophe to the UFO community because

3077
02:26:17,460 --> 02:26:14,829
the fact is there's a lot of outstanding

3078
02:26:20,910 --> 02:26:17,470
research and work being done in the UFO

3079
02:26:22,229 --> 02:26:20,920
fields you know there's there's always

3080
02:26:25,769 --> 02:26:22,239
good work happening there's

3081
02:26:27,779 --> 02:26:25,779
always more information coming out and

3082
02:26:30,869 --> 02:26:27,789
so you know life will go on no matter

3083
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:30,879
what happens with to the Stars there

3084
02:26:34,590 --> 02:26:32,560
will continue to be good work done and

3085
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:34,600
you know that there is a problem with

3086
02:26:39,479 --> 02:26:36,850
people pinning their hopes on disclosure

3087
02:26:42,050 --> 02:26:39,489
I ought to know I wrote a book after

3088
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:42,060
disclosure but almost a decade ago now

3089
02:26:49,619 --> 02:26:46,390
and I understand the the desire for an

3090
02:26:52,649 --> 02:26:49,629
open UFO disclosure but the fact is that

3091
02:26:57,719 --> 02:26:52,659
I think what we really need to focus on

3092
02:26:59,749 --> 02:26:57,729
is a clear coherent message that is

3093
02:27:01,859 --> 02:26:59,759
those of us in this field who have

3094
02:27:03,960 --> 02:27:01,869
information and knowledge about it to

3095
02:27:05,880 --> 02:27:03,970
communicate that information clearly to

3096
02:27:08,369 --> 02:27:05,890
the world before we start worrying about

3097
02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:08,379
disclosure I think it's a problem to get

3098
02:27:13,019 --> 02:27:11,140
ahead of ourselves we still have a lot

3099
02:27:15,269 --> 02:27:13,029
of work in communicating our message to

3100
02:27:18,329 --> 02:27:15,279
the rest of the world Richard thank you

3101
02:27:20,969 --> 02:27:18,339
so much Steve thank you so much for

3102
02:27:23,309 --> 02:27:20,979
coming on tonight both of you these are

3103
02:27:25,819 --> 02:27:23,319
very touchy subjects that need to be

3104
02:27:28,619 --> 02:27:25,829
addressed in a very pragmatic and and

3105
02:27:30,539 --> 02:27:28,629
black-and-white way we you know trying

3106
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:30,549
to take our emotions out of it let's

3107
02:27:34,019 --> 02:27:32,409
just talk about the facts and I want to

3108
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:34,029
thank the both of you thank you Steve

3109
02:27:38,699 --> 02:27:36,850
thank you Richard thank you it was a

3110
02:27:40,769 --> 02:27:38,709
pleasure absolutely thank you Richard

3111
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:40,779
Steve behave and thank you for getting

3112
02:27:45,389 --> 02:27:43,359
up so early in the morning oh I think

3113
02:27:48,210 --> 02:27:45,399
you've gotta meet Jimmy it's also all

3114
02:27:50,789 --> 02:27:48,220
the best steve mara Richard Dolan

3115
02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:50,799
this is fade to black and I'm gonna head

3116
02:27:54,929 --> 02:27:52,930
to a break right here and then when I

3117
02:27:57,779 --> 02:27:54,939
come back we're gonna have we're gonna

3118
02:28:00,689 --> 02:27:57,789
be joined by Justin to shaft who

3119
02:28:04,019 --> 02:28:00,699
stillness of the storm who broke the

3120
02:28:06,659 --> 02:28:04,029
story over here after the express did

3121
02:28:09,210 --> 02:28:06,669
over in the UK so I'll be right back

3122
02:28:11,039 --> 02:28:09,220
Richard Dolan Steve Mehra thank you so

3123
02:28:14,750 --> 02:28:11,049
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3124
02:28:36,871 --> 02:28:14,760
Jimmy Church stay with us

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about something serious for a minute

3172
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your age getting old has its perks but

3173
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remember being a few years younger you

3174
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know your hair was thicker you didn't

3175
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have so many wrinkles that extra weight

3176
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wasn't haunting you

3177
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and you just felt better well we can't

3178
02:31:15,281 --> 02:31:12,771
turn back the clocks and go back 10 or

3179
02:31:17,831 --> 02:31:15,291
15 years but you can start feeling and

3180
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:17,841
looking 10 or 15 years younger with

3181
02:31:22,121 --> 02:31:20,330
nature's youth RSF it's a doctor

3182
02:31:23,860 --> 02:31:22,131
formulated daily supplement that helps

3183
02:31:26,350 --> 02:31:23,870
your body maintain its peak performance

3184
02:31:28,270 --> 02:31:26,360
and fight the aging process imagine

3185
02:31:29,350 --> 02:31:28,280
sleeping better looking better and

3186
02:31:31,930 --> 02:31:29,360
feeling better

3187
02:31:33,881 --> 02:31:31,940
see how Nature's youth RSF has helped

3188
02:31:36,581 --> 02:31:33,891
thousands of people just like you at

3189
02:31:39,041 --> 02:31:36,591
nature's youth calm nature's youth calm

3190
02:31:40,451 --> 02:31:39,051
the holidays are coming imagine how it

3191
02:31:42,371 --> 02:31:40,461
will feel when your family and friends

3192
02:31:44,741 --> 02:31:42,381
are asking you what you did to look so

3193
02:31:47,020 --> 02:31:44,751
good your secret will be nature's youth

3194
02:31:49,511 --> 02:31:47,030
RSS it's time to start looking better

3195
02:31:51,581 --> 02:31:49,521
and feeling better learn more in order

3196
02:32:01,849 --> 02:31:51,591
your nature's use RSS at nature's youth

3197
02:32:06,899 --> 02:32:05,580
it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3198
02:32:17,279 --> 02:32:06,909
born this way

3199
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:17,289
kera radio.com this is KJ CRA

3200
02:32:21,170 --> 02:32:33,240
[Music]

3201
02:32:39,150 --> 02:32:36,210
welcome back fade to black

3202
02:32:42,490 --> 02:32:39,160
Thursday night very special show tonight

3203
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:42,500
Richard Dolan thank you so much Steve

3204
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:45,760
Mara live from the UK thank you

3205
02:32:49,780 --> 02:32:48,170
discussing the Richard Doty surprise

3206
02:32:53,530 --> 02:32:49,790
90-minute phone call back on February

3207
02:32:56,560 --> 02:32:53,540
1st and then the to the stars ketamine

3208
02:32:59,500 --> 02:32:56,570
Tom DeLonge and the the fumble the drop

3209
02:33:02,860 --> 02:32:59,510
ball that was and is and will continue

3210
02:33:08,550 --> 02:33:02,870
to be the mylar balloon that they said

3211
02:33:13,060 --> 02:33:08,560
was a UFO secret technology okay

3212
02:33:15,370 --> 02:33:13,070
joining us is just into sham Justin

3213
02:33:17,320 --> 02:33:15,380
welcome back to the show and you know

3214
02:33:19,420 --> 02:33:17,330
what's funny I just I was gonna say it

3215
02:33:24,910 --> 02:33:19,430
feels like I talked to you yesterday and

3216
02:33:28,660 --> 02:33:24,920
I did I mean how's it going it's going

3217
02:33:33,730 --> 02:33:28,670
good now okay let's let's continue this

3218
02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:33,740
discussion you threw stillness of the

3219
02:33:42,670 --> 02:33:39,530
storm released the now where did you

3220
02:33:45,670 --> 02:33:42,680
first hear about this story that you

3221
02:33:48,550 --> 02:33:45,680
released on was it through the Express

3222
02:33:52,510 --> 02:33:48,560
and and how did you come across to Tom

3223
02:33:53,980 --> 02:33:52,520
DeLonge in the balloon yeah I heard

3224
02:33:56,740 --> 02:33:53,990
about it through the Express that you

3225
02:33:58,060 --> 02:33:56,750
can well I might check news feeds every

3226
02:34:01,480 --> 02:33:58,070
day to see what's going on out in the

3227
02:34:03,370 --> 02:34:01,490
world and I found about the story and as

3228
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:03,380
you can imagine I was pretty shocked to

3229
02:34:08,170 --> 02:34:05,930
discover that yeah a prolific or

3230
02:34:11,170 --> 02:34:08,180
seemingly prolific agency like to the

3231
02:34:13,500 --> 02:34:11,180
Stars Academy had used that's certainly

3232
02:34:16,990 --> 02:34:13,510
easily debunked bull photographs so uh

3233
02:34:19,450 --> 02:34:17,000
yeah posted this article on the on

3234
02:34:23,620 --> 02:34:19,460
February 7th but it actually came out

3235
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:23,630
about a month ago on January 17th on the

3236
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:28,160
Express what has stillness of the storm

3237
02:34:37,060 --> 02:34:34,010
has a very very large audience and

3238
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:37,070
really short base what has their

3239
02:34:45,070 --> 02:34:41,930
reaction been to your article well you

3240
02:34:46,420 --> 02:34:45,080
can imagine it it sent waves through the

3241
02:34:48,519 --> 02:34:46,430
community I mean

3242
02:34:50,830 --> 02:34:48,529
there's a lot of people wondering you

3243
02:34:52,330 --> 02:34:50,840
know what does this mean as I'm sure you

3244
02:34:55,559 --> 02:34:52,340
know that the to the start of the

3245
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:55,569
Academy is a kind of a hotly debated

3246
02:35:01,420 --> 02:34:59,120
thing in the ufology community so this

3247
02:35:03,519 --> 02:35:01,430
just kind of adds fuel to the fire to

3248
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:03,529
the controversy surrounding that that

3249
02:35:08,500 --> 02:35:06,800
whole topic and you know what one of the

3250
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:08,510
perspectives we try to offer on still is

3251
02:35:15,160 --> 02:35:12,080
in a storm is not lending a lot of

3252
02:35:18,580 --> 02:35:15,170
energy into you know divisiveness and

3253
02:35:21,189 --> 02:35:18,590
and sensationalism so you know one of

3254
02:35:22,900 --> 02:35:21,199
the things I made sure went up on this

3255
02:35:24,670 --> 02:35:22,910
article when we posted I had one of my

3256
02:35:26,650 --> 02:35:24,680
authors Pontius locksmiths you wrote a

3257
02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:26,660
wonderful introduction kind of letting

3258
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:28,970
people know hey listen this information

3259
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:31,520
is it's been put out let's not jump to

3260
02:35:36,099 --> 02:35:34,130
any wild conclusions that's not grab our

3261
02:35:38,320 --> 02:35:36,109
foot folks or anything like that so but

3262
02:35:41,670 --> 02:35:38,330
it was a highly controversial thing when

3263
02:35:45,969 --> 02:35:41,680
it hit the scene for sure and for you

3264
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:45,979
being the the man behind stillness of

3265
02:35:52,120 --> 02:35:49,370
the storm and its integrity you went

3266
02:35:54,370 --> 02:35:52,130
through the same emotional elations that

3267
02:35:57,340 --> 02:35:54,380
we all did with those days of disclosure

3268
02:35:59,380 --> 02:35:57,350
and December 16th and the excitement

3269
02:36:03,760 --> 02:35:59,390
that did go through the community and

3270
02:36:06,219 --> 02:36:03,770
then you after reading the Express and

3271
02:36:09,969 --> 02:36:06,229
you ran you know with their article on

3272
02:36:14,500 --> 02:36:09,979
stillness what did that do to you I mean

3273
02:36:16,990 --> 02:36:14,510
how did you feel at that point well I

3274
02:36:18,849 --> 02:36:17,000
mean it was pretty shocking it you know

3275
02:36:21,519 --> 02:36:18,859
say what you will about to the Stars

3276
02:36:24,099 --> 02:36:21,529
Academy but with what that has to offer

3277
02:36:26,769 --> 02:36:24,109
for the disclosure movement so to speak

3278
02:36:29,320 --> 02:36:26,779
is pretty pretty amazing I mean we have

3279
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:29,330
Tom DeLonge he's got a massive following

3280
02:36:33,219 --> 02:36:30,890
the guy was a

3281
02:36:35,170 --> 02:36:33,229
extremely popular musician for many

3282
02:36:37,450 --> 02:36:35,180
years so for him to get the kinds you

3283
02:36:41,469 --> 02:36:37,460
know you ecology and disclosure it means

3284
02:36:44,320 --> 02:36:41,479
a lot and for for this kind of dropping

3285
02:36:46,450 --> 02:36:44,330
of the ball to happen it was a little

3286
02:36:49,630 --> 02:36:46,460
unsettling you know I I was I was

3287
02:36:52,330 --> 02:36:49,640
looking for a little bit more what how

3288
02:36:54,400 --> 02:36:52,340
can I say this you know due diligence

3289
02:36:58,000 --> 02:36:54,410
when it comes to working out these facts

3290
02:37:00,190 --> 02:36:58,010
because ultimately I mean we're already

3291
02:37:01,720 --> 02:37:00,200
under a lot of scrutiny

3292
02:37:03,700 --> 02:37:01,730
in the disclosure movement in the

3293
02:37:06,460 --> 02:37:03,710
apology movement and the last thing we

3294
02:37:09,160 --> 02:37:06,470
want to do is use as our coaster as our

3295
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:09,170
essential points an easily debunk old

3296
02:37:18,421 --> 02:37:15,290
photo I had so many top-shelf you know

3297
02:37:22,301 --> 02:37:18,431
right there researchers and authors that

3298
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:22,311
were shocked that came up to me at the

3299
02:37:27,250 --> 02:37:25,130
conscious live Expo they had heard about

3300
02:37:29,740 --> 02:37:27,260
my statements they wanted to know if it

3301
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:29,750
was true they had heard that there was

3302
02:37:34,780 --> 02:37:32,000
stuff on stillness they had heard that

3303
02:37:37,780 --> 02:37:34,790
there was stuff on divine cosmos and

3304
02:37:40,410 --> 02:37:37,790
that all of this was just recent and and

3305
02:37:43,841 --> 02:37:40,420
my comments right and this is the thing

3306
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:43,851
Justin that blew my mind they didn't

3307
02:37:52,000 --> 02:37:48,170
have any idea they didn't have any idea

3308
02:37:54,610 --> 02:37:52,010
and seriously for them to go please tell

3309
02:37:56,591 --> 02:37:54,620
me it wasn't a mylar balloon I saw the

3310
02:37:59,200 --> 02:37:56,601
photograph please tell me that this is

3311
02:38:01,810 --> 02:37:59,210
not true and when I had to tell them

3312
02:38:05,770 --> 02:38:01,820
that no it was indeed a mylar balloon

3313
02:38:08,140 --> 02:38:05,780
and this is not some you know crazy

3314
02:38:10,600 --> 02:38:08,150
disinformation thing being put out there

3315
02:38:13,421 --> 02:38:10,610
by somebody that no it was indeed a

3316
02:38:18,040 --> 02:38:13,431
mylar balloon they could not believe it

3317
02:38:21,490 --> 02:38:18,050
and for the position of to the stars to

3318
02:38:24,490 --> 02:38:21,500
be that this was known you know this was

3319
02:38:28,480 --> 02:38:24,500
already out there we apologize

3320
02:38:32,830 --> 02:38:28,490
no the UFO community as a hold had no

3321
02:38:35,171 --> 02:38:32,840
clue they had no idea none they had

3322
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:35,181
heard about it first through me through

3323
02:38:41,530 --> 02:38:38,240
you and through divine cosmos and and

3324
02:38:44,230 --> 02:38:41,540
Wilcock heard it for me and Wilcock is

3325
02:38:46,810 --> 02:38:44,240
somebody that gets all the email right

3326
02:38:49,900 --> 02:38:46,820
he gets every he has got his contact and

3327
02:38:52,511 --> 02:38:49,910
no this story was not out there inside

3328
02:38:55,540 --> 02:38:52,521
of the community and I find that a bad

3329
02:38:57,881 --> 02:38:55,550
crutch to stand on to say that well we

3330
02:39:00,820 --> 02:38:57,891
put it out there you know okay whatever

3331
02:39:03,671 --> 02:39:00,830
you know we made a mistake the UFO

3332
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:03,681
community did not know they did not know

3333
02:39:10,930 --> 02:39:06,800
until you and myself and Devine came

3334
02:39:12,820 --> 02:39:10,940
forward yeah absolutely I mean it's its

3335
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:12,830
unsteadily on numerous levels and I

3336
02:39:16,210 --> 02:39:14,000
think it's

3337
02:39:18,940 --> 02:39:16,220
a great opportunity for us to kind of

3338
02:39:21,340 --> 02:39:18,950
gain some self-reflection I mean it's

3339
02:39:23,980 --> 02:39:21,350
really easy when you see big names like

3340
02:39:26,620 --> 02:39:23,990
Tom DeLonge out there and these

3341
02:39:27,940 --> 02:39:26,630
indications that seem to suggest that

3342
02:39:30,100 --> 02:39:27,950
disclosure is moving forward really

3343
02:39:32,650 --> 02:39:30,110
quickly for us to get kind of wrapped up

3344
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:32,660
in the excitement but being able to take

3345
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:34,130
a step back and say well wait a minute

3346
02:39:38,020 --> 02:39:35,840
let me just check everything out here to

3347
02:39:41,890 --> 02:39:38,030
make sure right is really important you

3348
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:41,900
know and arguably you know potentially

3349
02:39:47,320 --> 02:39:43,760
this is part of the problem is that we

3350
02:39:49,570 --> 02:39:47,330
in our in our zeal and our interest and

3351
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:49,580
our passion to get the information out

3352
02:39:53,140 --> 02:39:50,960
there we got to be careful what we

3353
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:53,150
prevent because you know the old saying

3354
02:39:57,460 --> 02:39:54,800
goes you can't have more than one first

3355
02:39:59,620 --> 02:39:57,470
impression no you go you can't you

3356
02:40:05,160 --> 02:39:59,630
cannot and see and now I do want to give

3357
02:40:08,440 --> 02:40:05,170
credit to Isaac Oy he is a top-shelf

3358
02:40:12,130 --> 02:40:08,450
reach I have always when he says

3359
02:40:14,340 --> 02:40:12,140
something I always take notice and he

3360
02:40:18,280 --> 02:40:14,350
was on top of this right after the

3361
02:40:22,180 --> 02:40:18,290
October 11th presentation by to the

3362
02:40:25,110 --> 02:40:22,190
stars but you know not everybody knows

3363
02:40:27,640 --> 02:40:25,120
about Isaac oi and the work that he does

3364
02:40:31,990 --> 02:40:27,650
he's somebody you have to kind of go and

3365
02:40:34,510 --> 02:40:32,000
search out and that and I missed it you

3366
02:40:38,500 --> 02:40:34,520
know and so I missed it too and Richard

3367
02:40:40,570 --> 02:40:38,510
was absolutely right Richard did not do

3368
02:40:43,150 --> 02:40:40,580
a Google search on that image he should

3369
02:40:45,850 --> 02:40:43,160
have I did not do a Google search on

3370
02:40:47,050 --> 02:40:45,860
that image my mistake

3371
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:47,060
[Music]

3372
02:40:54,310 --> 02:40:51,680
the reason why is I put so much into the

3373
02:40:56,440 --> 02:40:54,320
staff at to the stars that you know the

3374
02:40:58,090 --> 02:40:56,450
way that it was presented with from

3375
02:41:00,100 --> 02:40:58,100
everybody that this came from the

3376
02:41:03,160 --> 02:41:00,110
Pentagon this was part of the Nimitz

3377
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:03,170
package you know this is this was Dave

3378
02:41:07,720 --> 02:41:05,330
raver and Lewis Elizondo and this was

3379
02:41:11,230 --> 02:41:07,730
the stuff that Lewis was bringing

3380
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:11,240
forward the secret stuff and you know I

3381
02:41:17,980 --> 02:41:15,770
yeah I admit I'm only human I made those

3382
02:41:20,620 --> 02:41:17,990
mistakes and so did everybody else in

3383
02:41:22,780 --> 02:41:20,630
the UFO community everybody thought that

3384
02:41:24,961 --> 02:41:22,790
that was just genuine and it came from

3385
02:41:28,470 --> 02:41:24,971
Lewis and it came from the Pentagon

3386
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:28,480
and there you go it was just a bad move

3387
02:41:31,701 --> 02:41:29,530
all the way around

3388
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:31,711
bad move I think everybody's part yeah

3389
02:41:35,430 --> 02:41:34,240
and you know and I'll throw myself on

3390
02:41:37,501 --> 02:41:35,440
the running to you know I didn't catch

3391
02:41:39,541 --> 02:41:37,511
it when this thing came out the to Stars

3392
02:41:41,761 --> 02:41:39,551
Academy had this presentation in October

3393
02:41:43,411 --> 02:41:41,771
I you know I was busy doing a lot of

3394
02:41:45,511 --> 02:41:43,421
things so I didn't necessarily dive into

3395
02:41:47,491 --> 02:41:45,521
the the nitty-gritty of what this was

3396
02:41:49,470 --> 02:41:47,501
happening but you know you place your

3397
02:41:51,751 --> 02:41:49,480
trust and these people they come from

3398
02:41:53,850 --> 02:41:51,761
the Pentagon you got major names backing

3399
02:41:56,011 --> 02:41:53,860
this thing and you kind of hope that

3400
02:41:57,751 --> 02:41:56,021
everybody got their ducks in a row and

3401
02:42:01,350 --> 02:41:57,761
this is an example one slips through the

3402
02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:01,360
cracks so you know it before before we

3403
02:42:05,551 --> 02:42:03,730
start getting into you know a notions of

3404
02:42:07,470 --> 02:42:05,561
you know throwing people under the bus I

3405
02:42:10,081 --> 02:42:07,480
think like I was mentioning earlier it's

3406
02:42:12,751 --> 02:42:10,091
a time to kind of pause reflect you know

3407
02:42:14,551 --> 02:42:12,761
what can we as you follow the community

3408
02:42:16,020 --> 02:42:14,561
do to ensure this doesn't happen again

3409
02:42:18,091 --> 02:42:16,030
and this is you know this is what we're

3410
02:42:20,461 --> 02:42:18,101
all about it's telling some stories yeah

3411
02:42:22,020 --> 02:42:20,471
he's trying to have the unity in the

3412
02:42:23,970 --> 02:42:22,030
community that you know everybody

3413
02:42:25,081 --> 02:42:23,980
matters your opinion matters even if you

3414
02:42:26,581 --> 02:42:25,091
think you're not here he don't have a

3415
02:42:28,591 --> 02:42:26,591
radio show you don't have a YouTube

3416
02:42:30,151 --> 02:42:28,601
channel around the blog it ultimately

3417
02:42:32,430 --> 02:42:30,161
doesn't matter if you see something that

3418
02:42:34,470 --> 02:42:32,440
doesn't look like it's consistent your

3419
02:42:36,151 --> 02:42:34,480
voice matters that it needs to be heard

3420
02:42:38,161 --> 02:42:36,161
and we all can work together to kind of

3421
02:42:40,291 --> 02:42:38,171
ensure that the whole thing that we're

3422
02:42:42,031 --> 02:42:40,301
all rooted crimes which is getting this

3423
02:42:44,091 --> 02:42:42,041
information out to the people so that we

3424
02:42:45,991 --> 02:42:44,101
can move forward as a planet is

3425
02:42:48,691 --> 02:42:46,001
something that's really paramount

3426
02:42:52,201 --> 02:42:48,701
yeah your ear absolutely right with that

3427
02:42:55,861 --> 02:42:52,211
the UFO community will police itself

3428
02:42:57,871 --> 02:42:55,871
there is a lot of very bright bright

3429
02:43:00,060 --> 02:42:57,881
people out there that can figure things

3430
02:43:02,761 --> 02:43:00,070
out maybe not everybody knows everything

3431
02:43:05,100 --> 02:43:02,771
but collectively we will get to the

3432
02:43:07,501 --> 02:43:05,110
bottom of it and I can cite so many

3433
02:43:09,930 --> 02:43:07,511
different examples of things that have

3434
02:43:12,871 --> 02:43:09,940
unraveled and been figured out and in

3435
02:43:15,390 --> 02:43:12,881
the UFO community and that that remain

3436
02:43:19,341 --> 02:43:15,400
that will never change one thing is for

3437
02:43:21,451 --> 02:43:19,351
sure that to the Stars Academy

3438
02:43:25,350 --> 02:43:21,461
everything that they release in the

3439
02:43:29,041 --> 02:43:25,360
future will be absolutely 100% vetted

3440
02:43:31,501 --> 02:43:29,051
and they have to move forward with with

3441
02:43:34,470 --> 02:43:31,511
caution you can't play around with this

3442
02:43:37,470 --> 02:43:34,480
community you can't do that but then

3443
02:43:38,841 --> 02:43:37,480
this is a thing you said it you only

3444
02:43:41,001 --> 02:43:38,851
have so many times you know you

3445
02:43:44,121 --> 02:43:41,011
one chance to make a first impression so

3446
02:43:45,501 --> 02:43:44,131
everything that now is released from to

3447
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:45,511
the stars like the boy who cried wolf

3448
02:43:50,480 --> 02:43:48,240
right now everything that comes out it

3449
02:43:53,841 --> 02:43:50,490
could be the most solid unbelievable

3450
02:43:56,390 --> 02:43:53,851
situation but working step back and go

3451
02:43:59,900 --> 02:43:56,400
hey you know and now we're sitting on

3452
02:44:02,270 --> 02:43:59,910
these two videos and I'm not so sure

3453
02:44:04,281 --> 02:44:02,280
about what's gonna happen with that I do

3454
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:04,291
know that there's other videos out there

3455
02:44:09,801 --> 02:44:07,110
and I'm not gonna name names or anything

3456
02:44:11,421 --> 02:44:09,811
but and I'm sure that they are listening

3457
02:44:13,551 --> 02:44:11,431
right now and they know about my

3458
02:44:16,161 --> 02:44:13,561
conversations with these various people

3459
02:44:20,571 --> 02:44:16,171
that are sitting on the this footage and

3460
02:44:23,031 --> 02:44:20,581
I I have to say this footage that is out

3461
02:44:26,211 --> 02:44:23,041
there I don't know about the provenance

3462
02:44:28,430 --> 02:44:26,221
there with that and these different

3463
02:44:31,281 --> 02:44:28,440
researchers who are excellent if they

3464
02:44:34,940 --> 02:44:31,291
come forward with something they better

3465
02:44:37,360 --> 02:44:34,950
make sure that it is rock-solid because

3466
02:44:39,770 --> 02:44:37,370
anybody that looks at it is going to

3467
02:44:41,661 --> 02:44:39,780
immediately go back to this thing that

3468
02:44:45,711 --> 02:44:41,671
just happened with the to the stars and

3469
02:44:47,451 --> 02:44:45,721
that cloud is going to be over oh and

3470
02:44:50,020 --> 02:44:47,461
it's it's it's going to be hard to get

3471
02:44:52,701 --> 02:44:50,030
rid of it's not gonna happen overnight

3472
02:44:54,051 --> 02:44:52,711
yeah exactly I mean and this is why I

3473
02:44:56,541 --> 02:44:54,061
think you know we all need to come

3474
02:44:58,310 --> 02:44:56,551
together as a community is because we're

3475
02:44:59,900 --> 02:44:58,320
all ultimately out there you know this

3476
02:45:02,031 --> 02:44:59,910
information especially with something

3477
02:45:03,711 --> 02:45:02,041
like this which has a huge backing and

3478
02:45:06,230 --> 02:45:03,721
we've got a Pentagon officials we got a

3479
02:45:08,001 --> 02:45:06,240
massive name like Tom's along you know

3480
02:45:09,711 --> 02:45:08,011
if you want to Pete the material to go

3481
02:45:11,451 --> 02:45:09,721
to your friends to go to your family and

3482
02:45:12,890 --> 02:45:11,461
say hey look at this you know I finally

3483
02:45:15,560 --> 02:45:12,900
got something tangible you've been

3484
02:45:17,390 --> 02:45:15,570
asking for group beer some of it you

3485
02:45:19,940 --> 02:45:17,400
know it did lose us to make sure that

3486
02:45:21,560 --> 02:45:19,950
all our ducks in a row because we don't

3487
02:45:23,001 --> 02:45:21,570
want to be spreading this information of

3488
02:45:25,251 --> 02:45:23,011
course but we also don't want to blow

3489
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:25,261
our chances in our opportunity and you

3490
02:45:29,690 --> 02:45:27,120
know and I think what we can do moving

3491
02:45:32,180 --> 02:45:29,700
forward is and this was well I'm always

3492
02:45:33,951 --> 02:45:32,190
pushing is let's come together let's

3493
02:45:36,411 --> 02:45:33,961
make sure what the information we have

3494
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:36,421
is the best we have available and and we

3495
02:45:39,591 --> 02:45:38,370
can move forward as a community and you

3496
02:45:41,961 --> 02:45:39,601
know that's one thing I really like

3497
02:45:43,821 --> 02:45:41,971
about Richard bones work he spends a lot

3498
02:45:45,860 --> 02:45:43,831
of time making sure that all of those

3499
02:45:47,690 --> 02:45:45,870
ducks in a row and he comes from this

3500
02:45:49,220 --> 02:45:47,700
perspective at least but this is what it

3501
02:45:52,281 --> 02:45:49,230
seems like from what I've observed from

3502
02:45:52,670 --> 02:45:52,291
him of the strategy so what what can we

3503
02:45:54,320 --> 02:45:52,680
do

3504
02:45:56,599 --> 02:45:54,330
a lot of information in the apology

3505
02:45:58,790 --> 02:45:56,609
movement that it's really hard to do

3506
02:46:01,160 --> 02:45:58,800
anything on because it's just so crazy

3507
02:46:03,979 --> 02:46:01,170
or it's hard the information of the

3508
02:46:06,889 --> 02:46:03,989
evidence isn't there but we do have

3509
02:46:08,929 --> 02:46:06,899
instances and events that do have a lot

3510
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:08,939
of backing so let's use those

3511
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:11,130
strategically to make inroads with

3512
02:46:14,599 --> 02:46:12,810
people that are open for this and then

3513
02:46:16,219 --> 02:46:14,609
once we get their discernment and their

3514
02:46:19,420 --> 02:46:16,229
like their interest now we can move in

3515
02:46:23,150 --> 02:46:19,430
for the folks and it gives this

3516
02:46:26,300 --> 02:46:23,160
community of ours the opportunity to say

3517
02:46:28,929 --> 02:46:26,310
hey here we are this is another SIOP

3518
02:46:32,750 --> 02:46:28,939
operation from the CIA and the Pentagon

3519
02:46:35,689 --> 02:46:32,760
meant to discredit the UFO community to

3520
02:46:37,969 --> 02:46:35,699
get us all wound up and for us to lose

3521
02:46:40,219 --> 02:46:37,979
our minds a little bit more we don't

3522
02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:40,229
know what to believe and it may not be

3523
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:44,160
the case Justin that may this may not be

3524
02:46:52,939 --> 02:46:49,680
some disavow SIOP project but it

3525
02:46:55,700 --> 02:46:52,949
certainly could be right it's got

3526
02:46:58,700 --> 02:46:55,710
enrolled it's got everything in play how

3527
02:47:00,290 --> 02:46:58,710
do we try Lewis Elizondo how do we trust

3528
02:47:02,809 --> 02:47:00,300
you know somebody that was working for

3529
02:47:05,150 --> 02:47:02,819
the Pentagon and and was working on a

3530
02:47:08,360 --> 02:47:05,160
covert op he leaves the Pentagon a

3531
02:47:10,040 --> 02:47:08,370
couple days later he's working for to

3532
02:47:12,229 --> 02:47:10,050
the stars with all of the secret

3533
02:47:15,260 --> 02:47:12,239
information how do we trust that we were

3534
02:47:15,650 --> 02:47:15,270
trusting it but after this how do we do

3535
02:47:19,099 --> 02:47:15,660
that

3536
02:47:22,849 --> 02:47:19,109
you know Mellon who's coming from the

3537
02:47:25,729 --> 02:47:22,859
CIA and that's exactly what they do do

3538
02:47:29,660 --> 02:47:25,739
right but we put this trust in them and

3539
02:47:32,929 --> 02:47:29,670
then it turns out to be this so could it

3540
02:47:34,820 --> 02:47:32,939
could it be just some crazy you know and

3541
02:47:37,790 --> 02:47:34,830
it may not be but it certainly smells

3542
02:47:41,179 --> 02:47:37,800
like it and for our community they just

3543
02:47:44,300 --> 02:47:41,189
go throw their arms up haha here we go

3544
02:47:48,019 --> 02:47:44,310
again and it did and how can you blame

3545
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:48,029
them for thinking like that exactly I

3546
02:47:52,939 --> 02:47:50,160
mean that's the other impact of this

3547
02:47:56,120 --> 02:47:52,949
that this has is you know it's very easy

3548
02:47:57,710 --> 02:47:56,130
for us to entertain notions that this

3549
02:47:59,840 --> 02:47:57,720
might be a conspiracy like you said you

3550
02:48:02,059 --> 02:47:59,850
know it could be the worst case scenario

3551
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:02,069
this is totally disinformation off on

3552
02:48:05,420 --> 02:48:03,810
the ufology community all these people

3553
02:48:06,290 --> 02:48:05,430
that went out there and proselytized

3554
02:48:10,520 --> 02:48:06,300
this

3555
02:48:12,679 --> 02:48:10,530
presentation there now there they're

3556
02:48:14,389 --> 02:48:12,689
losing face with people you know and

3557
02:48:16,370 --> 02:48:14,399
maybe best-case scenario somebody

3558
02:48:17,960 --> 02:48:16,380
dropped the ball let's say see ya at the

3559
02:48:19,580 --> 02:48:17,970
to the stars Academy is probably the

3560
02:48:21,050 --> 02:48:19,590
massive organization they're really busy

3561
02:48:23,450 --> 02:48:21,060
doing stuff things look through the

3562
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:23,460
crack but at the end of the day I mean

3563
02:48:26,900 --> 02:48:25,050
we got to figure out a way and

3564
02:48:29,300 --> 02:48:26,910
ultimately when we're talking about

3565
02:48:32,540 --> 02:48:29,310
stuff you know from a lawful perspective

3566
02:48:34,730 --> 02:48:32,550
Trust isn't blind trust is based on good

3567
02:48:37,010 --> 02:48:34,740
faith it's based on good communication

3568
02:48:39,170 --> 02:48:37,020
the meaning of the minds you know things

3569
02:48:41,179 --> 02:48:39,180
where we actually have empirical data to

3570
02:48:44,030 --> 02:48:41,189
support the fact that we can trust some

3571
02:48:45,650 --> 02:48:44,040
people so when there's been an incidence

3572
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:45,660
of good faith and that good faith has

3573
02:48:49,880 --> 02:48:48,000
been besmirched for whatever reason now

3574
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,890
that puts the onus on everybody involved

3575
02:48:52,849 --> 02:48:51,840
do their due diligence and make sure

3576
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:52,859
that we're holding everybody accountable

3577
02:48:57,230 --> 02:48:55,439
and it's not because we know we are

3578
02:48:58,490 --> 02:48:57,240
malicious or insidious when we're

3579
02:49:00,679 --> 02:48:58,500
athletes or people but it's because

3580
02:49:02,420 --> 02:49:00,689
ultimately we are all going to be

3581
02:49:06,670 --> 02:49:02,430
impacted by this and that's what's so

3582
02:49:10,910 --> 02:49:06,680
important it is and the you know trust

3583
02:49:13,700 --> 02:49:10,920
Trust is earned you know right and when

3584
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:13,710
it comes to DeLonge and I understand his

3585
02:49:19,010 --> 02:49:17,010
position because he's the new guy in the

3586
02:49:21,620 --> 02:49:19,020
UFO community right he's the new guy

3587
02:49:23,240 --> 02:49:21,630
coming along and he wants to become part

3588
02:49:25,460 --> 02:49:23,250
of the community you don't get into the

3589
02:49:30,889 --> 02:49:25,470
SIRT you just don't walk into it it's

3590
02:49:33,740 --> 02:49:30,899
not given and and here the community met

3591
02:49:37,340 --> 02:49:33,750
it's it's tough it's tough and you have

3592
02:49:39,080 --> 02:49:37,350
to earn that trust and and he was right

3593
02:49:43,400 --> 02:49:39,090
there we were so happy with what

3594
02:49:46,040 --> 02:49:43,410
happened on December 16 now but can he

3595
02:49:48,139 --> 02:49:46,050
get that trust back I don't know we gave

3596
02:49:50,630 --> 02:49:48,149
him a pass card for sure he had a Hall

3597
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:50,640
Pass but this is the other thing I don't

3598
02:49:57,349 --> 02:49:54,000
want to discount what happened on

3599
02:49:59,380 --> 02:49:57,359
December 16th either what happened on

3600
02:50:03,139 --> 02:49:59,390
December 16th with the mass media

3601
02:50:04,880 --> 02:50:03,149
running with the UFO story going out

3602
02:50:07,429 --> 02:50:04,890
there exposing it to the rest of the

3603
02:50:10,790 --> 02:50:07,439
world that that may or may not have any

3604
02:50:13,790 --> 02:50:10,800
interest in in UFOs or disclosure that

3605
02:50:15,950 --> 02:50:13,800
happened and I'm thankful for that and

3606
02:50:18,500 --> 02:50:15,960
that was the power of to the stars and

3607
02:50:19,400 --> 02:50:18,510
along he was able to get this thing into

3608
02:50:21,020 --> 02:50:19,410
the

3609
02:50:23,150 --> 02:50:21,030
York Times he was able to you know

3610
02:50:25,881 --> 02:50:23,160
Leslie Kane comes along and she's doing

3611
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:25,891
her thing and add that legitimacy to it

3612
02:50:30,410 --> 02:50:27,840
and and getting it out there on the

3613
02:50:31,820 --> 02:50:30,420
networks in the interview I hate all of

3614
02:50:34,881 --> 02:50:31,830
that was great

3615
02:50:38,020 --> 02:50:34,891
it just it turned out to all be BS but

3616
02:50:40,490 --> 02:50:38,030
but it got out there it got out there

3617
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:40,500
worldwide and I don't want to discount

3618
02:50:46,720 --> 02:50:43,290
that and now what do we do you know

3619
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:46,730
moving forward will will the mass media

3620
02:50:52,551 --> 02:50:50,130
embrace too long in the future with his

3621
02:50:54,860 --> 02:50:52,561
PR firm and the money that he's

3622
02:50:56,690 --> 02:50:54,870
investing in into all of these contacts

3623
02:50:59,301 --> 02:50:56,700
into mass media are they gonna buy the

3624
02:51:01,670 --> 02:50:59,311
story a second time around you know

3625
02:51:04,551 --> 02:51:01,680
that's an interesting point you bring up

3626
02:51:05,870 --> 02:51:04,561
because you know if this was a slap you

3627
02:51:07,850 --> 02:51:05,880
would think the media would but in

3628
02:51:10,970 --> 02:51:07,860
jumping on this as soon as they figured

3629
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:10,980
out that it wasn't a real UFO photo that

3630
02:51:13,610 --> 02:51:12,450
they would have been out there sneering

3631
02:51:16,551 --> 02:51:13,620
belong they would have been out there

3632
02:51:18,020 --> 02:51:16,561
smearing anybody who promoted the photo

3633
02:51:20,360 --> 02:51:18,030
and the to the Stars Academy

3634
02:51:23,051 --> 02:51:20,370
presentation but they haven't yet so it

3635
02:51:27,860 --> 02:51:23,061
makes you wonder why that's the case

3636
02:51:30,591 --> 02:51:27,870
right Justin let me jump in they no no

3637
02:51:32,660 --> 02:51:30,601
modifying their positions you know we

3638
02:51:36,320 --> 02:51:32,670
made a mistake we you know in the

3639
02:51:39,140 --> 02:51:36,330
interest of transparency we ran this

3640
02:51:42,650 --> 02:51:39,150
photograph that was a hot it was a mylar

3641
02:51:45,080 --> 02:51:42,660
balloon and not a UFO you know and but

3642
02:51:49,070 --> 02:51:45,090
but none of that when they are always

3643
02:51:51,950 --> 02:51:49,080
ready to come forward and correct a

3644
02:51:53,570 --> 02:51:51,960
mistake in the story and with all of

3645
02:51:56,360 --> 02:51:53,580
this fake news we've had more

3646
02:51:58,070 --> 02:51:56,370
corrections in the press and mass media

3647
02:52:01,220 --> 02:51:58,080
than ever before in the history of this

3648
02:52:04,610 --> 02:52:01,230
country this time around there was no

3649
02:52:06,770 --> 02:52:04,620
corrections coming forward why that's a

3650
02:52:10,040 --> 02:52:06,780
really good point Justin why haven't

3651
02:52:12,500 --> 02:52:10,050
they did it well I think I mean that

3652
02:52:14,390 --> 02:52:12,510
this is a good opportunity if the long

3653
02:52:16,070 --> 02:52:14,400
in the Stars Academy really is

3654
02:52:18,381 --> 02:52:16,080
interested in you know presenting

3655
02:52:20,660 --> 02:52:18,391
themselves as the source of integrity as

3656
02:52:23,210 --> 02:52:20,670
a trusted area well it's kind of an

3657
02:52:26,660 --> 02:52:23,220
interface between the deeper aspects of

3658
02:52:28,460 --> 02:52:26,670
ufology and the mainstream media and the

3659
02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:28,470
greater community then it would behoove

3660
02:52:32,660 --> 02:52:30,570
them to make some type of statement to

3661
02:52:33,230 --> 02:52:32,670
say hey listen guys you know everything

3662
02:52:34,820 --> 02:52:33,240
we talked about

3663
02:52:37,370 --> 02:52:34,830
there's a lot of validity to it but we

3664
02:52:39,921 --> 02:52:37,380
dropped the ball here our apologies but

3665
02:52:41,480 --> 02:52:39,931
let's move forward so I'm really hoping

3666
02:52:43,881 --> 02:52:41,490
that you know so long as listening to

3667
02:52:46,671 --> 02:52:43,891
this or if anybody involved in this but

3668
02:52:48,921 --> 02:52:46,681
they take it upon themselves to to do

3669
02:52:50,900 --> 02:52:48,931
that work and yes it might seem scary at

3670
02:52:52,940 --> 02:52:50,910
first but speaking of somebody who's

3671
02:52:54,440 --> 02:52:52,950
been in the media for five years I've

3672
02:52:55,910 --> 02:52:54,450
made mistakes I'm not going to sit here

3673
02:52:57,860 --> 02:52:55,920
and say that I have an a mistakes but

3674
02:52:59,961 --> 02:52:57,870
what I do I always make it a point to

3675
02:53:01,850 --> 02:52:59,971
put issue a correction or to make some

3676
02:53:04,190 --> 02:53:01,860
type of statement and that's always met

3677
02:53:06,890 --> 02:53:04,200
with with a lot of acceptance and

3678
02:53:08,750 --> 02:53:06,900
support because ultimately that's what

3679
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:08,760
builds the trust that's what lets people

3680
02:53:12,950 --> 02:53:11,130
know listen if you make a mistake you're

3681
02:53:14,600 --> 02:53:12,960
willing to own up to and then we can

3682
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:14,610
move forward and that's really I think

3683
02:53:18,020 --> 02:53:16,410
the greater message that this

3684
02:53:20,841 --> 02:53:18,030
opportunity is presented to all of us

3685
02:53:22,820 --> 02:53:20,851
why do we all you know wait for

3686
02:53:26,120 --> 02:53:22,830
disclosure to come from the government

3687
02:53:27,950 --> 02:53:26,130
you know why why do we do that and then

3688
02:53:31,551 --> 02:53:27,960
we got it from the private sector with

3689
02:53:34,400 --> 02:53:31,561
the long and that opportunity may have

3690
02:53:36,171 --> 02:53:34,410
been blown so we're right back to

3691
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:36,181
looking at the government again for

3692
02:53:41,511 --> 02:53:38,160
disclosure in my opinion why do we do

3693
02:53:43,881 --> 02:53:41,521
that that's a great question I mean I

3694
02:53:45,711 --> 02:53:43,891
think boy we could have a huge

3695
02:53:48,890 --> 02:53:45,721
discussion on that book real briefly I

3696
02:53:50,961 --> 02:53:48,900
mean but let's face it the average

3697
02:53:53,091 --> 02:53:50,971
person they don't have time to pour

3698
02:53:54,980 --> 02:53:53,101
through documents and do hours of google

3699
02:53:57,350 --> 02:53:54,990
searches and if they do they may not

3700
02:53:58,640 --> 02:53:57,360
even be able to have the prerequisite

3701
02:54:01,400 --> 02:53:58,650
knowledge to interpret what they're

3702
02:54:03,051 --> 02:54:01,410
seeing so there's a very few handful of

3703
02:54:05,780 --> 02:54:03,061
people who have dedicated their lives to

3704
02:54:08,140 --> 02:54:05,790
this and from a government perspective

3705
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:08,150
the government just being who they are

3706
02:54:11,660 --> 02:54:10,290
gives a kind of rubber stamp of

3707
02:54:14,270 --> 02:54:11,670
authenticity and authority to a

3708
02:54:15,801 --> 02:54:14,280
situation so I think that a lot of

3709
02:54:17,600 --> 02:54:15,811
people want to look to the government

3710
02:54:19,910 --> 02:54:17,610
for some type of an endorsement about

3711
02:54:22,400 --> 02:54:19,920
the validity of something because it

3712
02:54:24,470 --> 02:54:22,410
lends credence to it and you know the

3713
02:54:25,730 --> 02:54:24,480
other aspect to it is even if the

3714
02:54:27,080 --> 02:54:25,740
government doesn't or something that's

3715
02:54:29,841 --> 02:54:27,090
not sure the very fact that they do

3716
02:54:31,810 --> 02:54:29,851
makes it something that is quote unquote

3717
02:54:34,940 --> 02:54:31,820
true or at least appears to be true so

3718
02:54:37,580 --> 02:54:34,950
it's almost I mean it's kind of like the

3719
02:54:39,950 --> 02:54:37,590
the adage you know the mean what's at

3720
02:54:41,660 --> 02:54:39,960
the ends justify the mean so in other

3721
02:54:43,580 --> 02:54:41,670
words that well we can get the

3722
02:54:45,230 --> 02:54:43,590
government to own up to it if we can get

3723
02:54:47,150 --> 02:54:45,240
the government to endorse this then

3724
02:54:48,620 --> 02:54:47,160
almost everybody will believe it

3725
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:48,630
pretty quickly and you know there's

3726
02:54:52,341 --> 02:54:50,250
something to be said for that but I

3727
02:54:53,900 --> 02:54:52,351
think it's a community you know I've

3728
02:54:55,070 --> 02:54:53,910
only been involved in this for a few

3729
02:54:57,110 --> 02:54:55,080
years now there's people that have been

3730
02:54:59,150 --> 02:54:57,120
doing this for decades and you know I

3731
02:55:00,620 --> 02:54:59,160
feel like the time it's time I'll get

3732
02:55:02,420 --> 02:55:00,630
the ancient head on our hands we've got

3733
02:55:04,881 --> 02:55:02,430
generations that you know the millennial

3734
02:55:07,011 --> 02:55:04,891
generation newer generations it's just a

3735
02:55:08,330 --> 02:55:07,021
given that these UFOs exist it's a given

3736
02:55:10,640 --> 02:55:08,340
that the government's can covering it up

3737
02:55:12,530 --> 02:55:10,650
so how can we as a community try to move

3738
02:55:14,990 --> 02:55:12,540
forward without necessarily waiting for

3739
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:15,000
the government to get in little yakked

3740
02:55:20,480 --> 02:55:17,760
Li Justin thank you so much man and

3741
02:55:23,720 --> 02:55:20,490
you're always the voice of reason on all

3742
02:55:25,940 --> 02:55:23,730
of this but stillness what do you guys

3743
02:55:29,390 --> 02:55:25,950
would you guys cover today what are you

3744
02:55:31,730 --> 02:55:29,400
covering tomorrow don't recover the

3745
02:55:33,710 --> 02:55:31,740
bunch of good information we got always

3746
02:55:35,480 --> 02:55:33,720
a good battery of stuff coming out where

3747
02:55:38,660 --> 02:55:35,490
we covering top news at events and an

3748
02:55:40,190 --> 02:55:38,670
inspiration and we got the Sitz news

3749
02:55:43,580 --> 02:55:40,200
coming out every weekend on Saturday

3750
02:55:44,810 --> 02:55:43,590
Teresa Harris and sterling Nicole

3751
02:55:47,000 --> 02:55:44,820
Bennett she's always doing the great

3752
02:55:48,320 --> 02:55:47,010
things with the stillness news and great

3753
02:55:49,730 --> 02:55:48,330
things always come out so I appreciate

3754
02:55:51,381 --> 02:55:49,740
everybody supporting that and of course

3755
02:55:53,720 --> 02:55:51,391
yours Jimmy thanks for having me on yeah

3756
02:55:55,881 --> 02:55:53,730
Thank You Justin and enjoy the rest of

3757
02:55:57,801 --> 02:55:55,891
your evening alright my friend thank you

3758
02:56:01,131 --> 02:55:57,811
so much for coming into my very

3759
02:56:03,500 --> 02:56:01,141
important time you got it Jimmy have a

3760
02:56:06,801 --> 02:56:03,510
good one [\h__\h] you - Justin there you go

3761
02:56:11,390 --> 02:56:06,811
Justin - shamp stillness of the storm

3762
02:56:15,950 --> 02:56:11,400
and again stillness this this article

3763
02:56:17,950 --> 02:56:15,960
went out in the express UK again you

3764
02:56:22,220 --> 02:56:17,960
know Maine a large

3765
02:56:26,390 --> 02:56:22,230
outlet but the story just kind of went

3766
02:56:29,511 --> 02:56:26,400
away Justin picked up on it and and ran

3767
02:56:33,530 --> 02:56:29,521
with the Express story I caught it and

3768
02:56:37,310 --> 02:56:33,540
again I was I thought how how did this

3769
02:56:41,240 --> 02:56:37,320
get by me and nobody that I had from the

3770
02:56:42,980 --> 02:56:41,250
inside certainly let me know about it

3771
02:56:45,170 --> 02:56:42,990
and and spoke to me about it that's why

3772
02:56:47,360 --> 02:56:45,180
you didn't hear about it here on fade to

3773
02:56:50,720 --> 02:56:47,370
black because it just ran under the

3774
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:50,730
radar not one one listener from fade to

3775
02:56:56,631 --> 02:56:53,610
black contacted me that one researcher

3776
02:57:00,130 --> 02:56:56,641
out there contacted me nobody caught the

3777
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:00,140
story the the release that have

3778
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:03,770
On January 23rd from TTS a again under

3779
02:57:08,649 --> 02:57:07,010
the radar nobody nobody brought it to my

3780
02:57:11,559 --> 02:57:08,659
attention okay

3781
02:57:14,170 --> 02:57:11,569
it was Justin and stillness that that

3782
02:57:16,750 --> 02:57:14,180
caught my attention and and the fans

3783
02:57:20,260 --> 02:57:16,760
here alerted me to it and that's that's

3784
02:57:22,179 --> 02:57:20,270
really the truth so to say that it was

3785
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:22,189
out there and everybody knew no it

3786
02:57:26,860 --> 02:57:23,210
wasn't out there

3787
02:57:30,580 --> 02:57:26,870
and nobody knew and that is the truth

3788
02:57:33,429 --> 02:57:30,590
Isaac oi did his thing again it just it

3789
02:57:35,170 --> 02:57:33,439
just didn't get noticed you know and and

3790
02:57:36,700 --> 02:57:35,180
until I brought it up here is just like

3791
02:57:38,920 --> 02:57:36,710
nobody wanted to talk about it well

3792
02:57:41,290 --> 02:57:38,930
that's not the way it's gonna work here

3793
02:57:44,349 --> 02:57:41,300
in the interest of transparency I will

3794
02:57:46,510 --> 02:57:44,359
always be clear with this audience and

3795
02:57:49,750 --> 02:57:46,520
the UFO community that's the way we run

3796
02:57:51,700 --> 02:57:49,760
and we'll never run another way again

3797
02:57:55,090 --> 02:57:51,710
and to be clear I want everybody to

3798
02:57:58,809 --> 02:57:55,100
understand I still not have heard from

3799
02:58:00,729 --> 02:57:58,819
Tom DeLonge there you go another episode

3800
02:58:04,120 --> 02:58:00,739
of fade to black in the can and

3801
02:58:06,070 --> 02:58:04,130
everybody it's weekend time for Rita

3802
02:58:10,780 --> 02:58:06,080
night something that we haven't enjoyed

3803
02:58:13,450 --> 02:58:10,790
which seems like months so we are going

3804
02:58:16,899 --> 02:58:13,460
to do just that we've got an amazing

3805
02:58:17,320 --> 02:58:16,909
week next week lined up here on fade to

3806
02:58:20,349 --> 02:58:17,330
black

3807
02:58:23,530 --> 02:58:20,359
also I'm on coast to coast hosting over

3808
02:58:25,389 --> 02:58:23,540
there all weekend next weekend so we're

3809
02:58:28,360 --> 02:58:25,399
gonna enjoy this next Friday Saturday

3810
02:58:30,790 --> 02:58:28,370
and Sunday and take the weekend off over

3811
02:58:33,460 --> 02:58:30,800
here everybody you guys have just a

3812
02:58:35,349 --> 02:58:33,470
great fun amazing weekend we'll be

3813
02:58:36,340 --> 02:58:35,359
hanging out on social media we're not

3814
02:58:38,439 --> 02:58:36,350
going too far

3815
02:58:40,750 --> 02:58:38,449
fade to black executive producers Rita

3816
02:58:42,969 --> 02:58:40,760
Kumari on shows produced by Hill J palm

3817
02:58:45,939 --> 02:58:42,979
Renae Dennis and Bob announces our Steve

3818
02:58:49,479 --> 02:58:45,949
harver Jean Patou MRD Cove our webmaster

3819
02:58:50,590 --> 02:58:49,489
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3820
02:58:53,920 --> 02:58:50,600
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3821
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:53,930
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3822
02:59:00,950 --> 02:58:57,170
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3823
02:59:03,770 --> 02:59:00,960
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3824
02:59:05,270 --> 02:59:03,780
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3825
02:59:07,090 --> 02:59:05,280
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3826
02:59:09,560 --> 02:59:07,100
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3827
02:59:11,780 --> 02:59:09,570
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3828
02:59:13,310 --> 02:59:11,790
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3829
02:59:15,500 --> 02:59:13,320
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3830
02:59:16,340 --> 02:59:15,510
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3831
02:59:20,270 --> 02:59:16,350
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3832
02:59:22,910 --> 02:59:20,280
leapin Dolan Steve Mara and just in to

3833
02:59:27,310 --> 02:59:22,920
sham for coming in tonight an amazing

3834
02:59:30,870 --> 02:59:27,320
show until Monday everybody be safe